Frictionless half-pipe and rotational motion question

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The discussion revolves around a block sliding down a frictionless half-pipe, released from rest at a specific point. Participants are tasked with determining various quantities such as velocity, tangential acceleration, radial acceleration, and angular acceleration at different angular displacements.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between angular displacement and linear quantities, questioning how to calculate radial and tangential accelerations. There is discussion about using energy conservation principles and the implications of a frictionless surface.

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Some participants have provided hints regarding the conservation of energy and the use of trigonometric functions to determine height. Others are exploring the implications of using Newton's second law and free-body diagrams to analyze forces acting on the block.

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There are uncertainties regarding the calculations of height based on angular displacement and the assumptions made about forces acting on the block. Participants are also discussing the need for a free-body diagram to visualize the forces involved.

  • #31
Doc Al said:
Yes, the triangle you've drawn is incorrect. (But the direction of the force and tangent line are correct, which is what I was focusing on. Sorry about not pointing that out!) Since you are finding components of the weight, you must draw a new right triangle in which the weight is the hypotenuse.

Sanity check: A vector must always be bigger (or at least equal to) its components. So when drawing a right triangle to find components, the components must be the smaller sides, not the hypotenuse.

Ok. I drew my triangle with the mg. I found the components to be:

x = mgcos30
y = mgsin30

We're looking for the x component as the acceleration, so then we can go: mgcos30 = ma. Cancel out the masses, solve for acceleration.

a = gcos30
a = 8.5units/s^2

Right? (Please say yes... ha ha)
 
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  • #32
AJDangles said:
Ok. I drew my triangle with the mg. I found the components to be:

x = mgcos30
y = mgsin30

We're looking for the x component as the acceleration, so then we can go: mgcos30 = ma. Cancel out the masses, solve for acceleration.

a = gcos30
a = 8.5units/s^2

Right? (Please say yes... ha ha)

I'm thinking this would make sense because at angles of 0 and 180, the acceleration is equal to gravity.
 
  • #33
AJDangles said:
Ok. I drew my triangle with the mg. I found the components to be:

x = mgcos30
y = mgsin30

We're looking for the x component as the acceleration, so then we can go: mgcos30 = ma. Cancel out the masses, solve for acceleration.

a = gcos30
a = 8.5units/s^2

Right? (Please say yes... ha ha)
Right! (or yes, if you prefer!)
 
  • #34
Alright! Last question, I promise: Why is it that the x component gives you the acceleration? I realize that I got the right answer but I'm not so sure as to how I got it. I just assumed it was that way because when you put in cos(0)*9.8 you got 9.8. Which makes sense because the circle is completely vertical at that point.
 
  • #35
AJDangles said:
Alright! Last question, I promise: Why is it that the x component gives you the acceleration?
All you're doing is applying Newton's 2nd law in the tangential direction. For the tangential forces (the x-direction), the only force is the x-component of the weight. So:
ƩFx = max
mg cosθ = max

So... ax = g cosθ

Let me know if this gets at your question. If not, ask again.
 
  • #36
Doc Al said:
All you're doing is applying Newton's 2nd law in the tangential direction. For the tangential forces (the x-direction), the only force is the x-component of the weight. So:
ƩFx = max
mg cosθ = max

So... ax = g cosθ

Let me know if this gets at your question. If not, ask again.

Ok... I think I get it now. Thanks a lot. Just one more picture to make sure my triangle is in the right spot:
 

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