Functions that are not integrable in terms of elementary functions.

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the integrability of certain functions, specifically the integral of the form \(\int \frac{e^{4x}}{4x}dx\). Participants explore whether this integral can be expressed in terms of elementary functions and inquire about theorems or algorithms that determine integrability.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the integrability of the function \(\frac{e^{4x}}{4x}\) in terms of elementary functions and seeks a theorem related to this issue.
  • Another participant suggests that there is a theorem regarding integrability, although it is complex, and mentions using Mathematica as a practical tool for testing integrability.
  • A request is made for a link to the theorem, indicating a desire for further understanding despite potential difficulties with the material.
  • References to academic papers and the Risch algorithm are provided as resources for understanding integration in finite terms.
  • One participant proposes an alternative approach by expanding \(e^{4x}\) into a Taylor series and analyzing the integral of the resulting expression, noting potential issues with logarithmic terms depending on integration bounds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the integrability of the specific function discussed. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented, indicating ongoing exploration and uncertainty regarding the topic.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the function's behavior, particularly near singularities such as \(x=0\), and the complexity of the theorems referenced may not be fully understood by all participants.

╔(σ_σ)╝
Messages
839
Reaction score
2
I was doing my differential equations homework. I had to solve y'' -4y = (e^(2x))/x.

While doing this I ran into an integral[tex]\int\frac{e^{4x}}{4x}dx[/tex]. I tried integrating my times but I couldn't; my guess is that this cannot be integrated in terms of elementary functions but I'm not sure.

Is there a theorem or Algorithm for knowing if a function is integrable in terms of elementary functions or not ?

If so, can someone tell me the theorem ?

And in my case is my function integrable in a finite number of elementary functions ?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
I believe there is a theorem, although it's not particularly simple.

As a practical matter, I've found mathematica a good enough test.
 
Yeah, I saw the answer given by mathematica after my post.

But do you have a link to the theorem É
I would like to see it even though, I may understand little of it.
 
R. Risch, The problem of integration in finite terms, Trans. Amer. Math. Soc , 139 (1969), 167-189. Mathematical Reviews (MathSciNet): MR38:5759

KASPER T. (1980): "Integration in Finite Terms: the Liouville Theory", Mathematics Magazine 53 pp 195 - 201.

Maxwell Rosenlicht, Pacific Journal of Mathematics 54 (1968) pp 153 - 161 and 65 (1976) pp 485 - 492.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risch_algorithm
 
Thanks.
 
Maybe you could expand e^{4x} in its Taylor series expansion. and then look at the integral of (e^{4x}-1)/x+1/x. In the first term there will be a cancellation of a power of x so it will be a polynomial integration. and the second gives ln(x). But depending on your integration bound there might be an issue with ln(x) (it blows up at x=0).
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 31 ·
2
Replies
31
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K