Further Applications of Newton's Law : Friction, Drag, and Elasticity

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The discussion revolves around the application of Newton's laws in the context of friction, drag, and elasticity, particularly focusing on a problem involving forces acting on a car moving up a slope. Participants are examining the relationships between various forces, including friction and weight components.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive acceleration using forces acting on the car but expresses confusion regarding their calculations and the role of friction. Other participants question the assumptions made about the direction of forces and the distribution of weight on the drive wheels.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations and assumptions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the interpretation of frictional forces and the normal force acting on the drive wheels. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the direction of forces and their effects.

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There is mention of a specific solution from a database that uses a different approach to the force equation, which raises questions about the reasoning behind the choice of terms. The original poster also indicates a lack of familiarity with LaTeX, which may affect their ability to present their question clearly.

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Homework Statement
Calculate the maximum acceleration of a car that is heading up a 4o slope (one that makes an angle of 4o with the horizontal) under the following road conditions. Assume that only half the weight of the car is supported by the two drive wheels and that the coefficient of static friction is involved—that is, the tires are not allowed to slip during the acceleration. (Ignore rolling.) (a) On dry concrete. (b) On wet concrete. (c) On ice, assuming that μ s = 0.100 , the same
as for shoes on ice
Relevant Equations
a=(g.sinθ+μs.g.cosθ)/2
θ = 4
μs = 1
Fnet = Wpararell + fs
m.a = 1/2.m.g.sinθ + μs.1/2.m.g.cosθ (divide by m)
a = (g.sinθ+μs.g.cosθ)/2
a = ((9.8)sin4 + (1)(9.8)cos4)/2
a = 5.23 m/s^2

hello guys, I'm having trouble with this problem. Can anybody help me correct my attempt and explain it to me?? thanks
 
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Please elaborate your question and use Latex. Apart from the fact that you have taken friction due to 1 tire,I don't see any other error
 
Hello there,
I found this solution from Database-Physics-Solutions. In this solution, it uses F=f-Wx, instead of F=f+Wx.
now my question is why do they use F=f-Wx instead of F=f+Wx?? I mean, the friction should act against the movement of the car right?? (the car is going upward and the Wx is in same direction as friction. Shouldn't it be f+Wx instead??) My second question is why is the f = 1/2 μs.mg Cosθ while the Wx = mg Sin θ ?? I mean since only half of the weight of the car is being supported by the 2 drive wheels??
Sorry for my bad english.
And by the way, what is Latex?? I don't know what latex is, sorry :)
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EnricoHendro said:
the friction should act against the movement of the car right?
No. see section 2 of https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/frequently-made-errors-mechanics-friction/
EnricoHendro said:
why is the f = 1/2 μs.mg Cosθ while the Wx = mg Sin θ ?? I mean since only half of the weight of the car is being supported by the 2 drive wheels?
Only half the weight is on the drive wheels, so the combined normal force on those is 1/2 mg Cosθ. Friction stops those spinning and leads to the frictional force up the slope. This has a max of 1/2 μs.mg Cosθ (it could be less in general). There is no frictional force on the other wheels, so the total frictional force acting on the car up the slope is 1/2 μs.mg Cosθ.
The mg Sin θ acts down the slope on the car as a whole.
 
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