G-parity - where does the minus sign come from?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of G-parity in particle physics, specifically focusing on the origin of the minus sign that appears when applying G-parity to an isospin doublet. Participants explore the definition and implications of G-parity, as well as the transformations involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines G-parity as ## G = exp(-i\pi I_{y})C ## and describes its application to the isospin doublet ## \begin{pmatrix} u\\ d \end{pmatrix} ##, resulting in ## -\begin{pmatrix} \bar{d}\\ \bar{u} \end{pmatrix} ##.
  • Another participant questions the sufficiency of the definition as an explanation for the minus sign, seeking further clarification.
  • A third participant acknowledges the change in sign for the third component of isospin due to rotation but expresses confusion about the necessity of the overall minus sign in front of the doublet.
  • A later reply indicates that the doublet in question is not in an eigenstate of G, suggesting that the minus sign cannot be an eigenvalue in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of the definition of G-parity to explain the minus sign, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the origin of the minus sign.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the interpretation of the minus sign in the context of G-parity, and participants have not reached a clear understanding of the conditions under which the doublet is considered an eigenstate.

Federica
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Hi all,

I have a question on G-parity. I know it's defined as ## G = exp(-i\pi I_{y})C ##, with ##I_y## being the second component of the isospin and ##C## is the C-parity. In other words, the G-parity should be the C-parity followed by a 180° rotation around the second axis of the isospin.

Now, if I apply C on the isospin doublet ## \begin{pmatrix} u\\ d \end{pmatrix} ## I get ## \begin{pmatrix} \bar{u}\\ \bar{d} \end{pmatrix} ##, which is quite clear.

If I apply the G-parity on the same doublet I get: ## -\begin{pmatrix} \bar{d}\\ \bar{u} \end{pmatrix} ##. I understand ##\bar{d}## and ##\bar{u}## are now inverted because of the rotation around ##I_y##, but where does the minus sign come from?
 
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Federica said:
but where does the minus sign come from?

The definition.

I am not sure what kind of answer would satisfy you. Why isn't "the definition" a good answer?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
The definition.

I am not sure what kind of answer would satisfy you. Why isn't "the definition" a good answer?
I understand why the third component of the isospin changes its sign, that's because of the rotation. But why should I put a minus sign in front of the whole doublet?
 
Sorry, I was confused about which minus sign you meant.

You are not in an eigenstate of G with the doublet you wrote. So -1 can't be the eigenvalue because there isn't an eigenvalue.
 

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