Gasoline what expansion, also what pressure?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the thermal expansion of gasoline and its implications for a machine design involving a metal tube filled with gasoline. Participants explore the effects of temperature changes on gasoline volume and pressure, as well as alternative liquids for the intended application.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to determine how much gasoline will spill from a tube when the temperature is raised from 20°C to 40°C, and what pressure would be exerted if the tube were sealed.
  • Another participant provides a link to the thermal expansion coefficient of gasoline but does not offer specific calculations.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in understanding the equations related to thermal expansion and requests assistance in calculating the values.
  • Concerns about safety when working with gasoline are raised, emphasizing the need for caution in the design process.
  • One participant suggests that the design resembles a modified Stirling engine and recommends researching that concept for additional insights.
  • There is a discussion about the suitability of gasoline as a working fluid, with one participant humorously noting the dangers associated with its use.
  • Another participant mentions that ethyl alcohol has a higher thermal coefficient of expansion than gasoline, suggesting it as a potentially better alternative liquid for the application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the calculations involved, and while some suggest alternatives to gasoline, there is no consensus on the best liquid or the specific calculations for expansion and pressure.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not provided specific numerical values for the thermal expansion of gasoline or the pressure exerted during expansion, leaving these aspects unresolved. The discussion also lacks detailed definitions of the terms and concepts involved.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in thermodynamics, engine design, or the properties of fluids may find this discussion relevant, particularly those exploring alternative fuels and safety considerations in engineering applications.

Flantoons
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Hello,

Help me work this out please.
(this is NOT a homework question, I am trying to make a machine)

I have a metal tube filled with gasoline.

The tube inside is 1 cm sq x 10 cm in length.

If I raise the temp of the gas from 20 deg C to 40 deg C, how much gas will spill out of the tube.?

If the tube was sealed, what pressure would be exerted on the ENDS of the tube?

Thank you?
 
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Thanks, but that doesn't help me, because I don't understand how to use all those equations. I'm not lazy, just stupid, so I am asking someone to work it out for me please.
 
Flantoons said:
I'm not lazy, just stupid,

Welcome to PF, Flantoons.
Generally speaking 'stupid' and 'gasoline' don't go together very well. (I'm sure that you're not stupid, though; just lacking knowledge.)
I mean no insult or disrespect. I'm just urging you to exercise caution and keep safety formost. :smile:
 
Flantoons said:
Thanks, but that doesn't help me, because I don't understand how to use all those equations. I'm not lazy, just stupid, so I am asking someone to work it out for me please.

Can you please tell us the application?
 
I was thinking of trying to use expand ice or expanding gasoline to make an engine.

Here is a sketch of how it works:
http://www.flantoons.co.uk/no-gas-engine001.jpg

Questions:
1. How much does gasoline expand...say from 20 degrees C upwards? (as a liquid)

2. What pressure does gasoline exert as it expands?

3. Can I use a better liquid to make my idea work?

Thank you.
 
I still can't help with any numbers, but it appears that you're building basically a modified Sterling engine. Maybe try Googling that to get some ideas.
 
Flantoons said:
3. Can I use a better liquid to make my idea work?

Yes, any liquid that won't burn your face off if it ignites accidentally. There's a reason gasoline is the primary ingredient in Napalm and it ain't because it smells good in the morning.
 
Looking around, it seems ethyl alcohol has one of the higher thermal coefficients of expansion among commonly-available fluids, better even than gasoline.
 
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ditto on alcohol for fuel...also love smell of Napalm in the morning...beats the smell of the burning latrines
 

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