Gauss' Theorem - Divergence Theorem for Sphere

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The discussion revolves around the application of Gauss' Theorem, specifically the Divergence Theorem, in the context of a sphere. The original poster presents a problem involving the divergence of a vector field defined as \(\vec{F}(\vec{r}) = r^3 \vec{r}\) and attempts to compute both the volume integral and the surface integral over a sphere of radius \(R\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the validity of the divergence expression \(\nabla \cdot r^3 \vec{r} = 6r^2\) and question its dimensional consistency. Some suggest recalculating the divergence to verify the original poster's claim.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing examination of the divergence calculation, with some participants expressing doubt about the original statement. Others have recalculated and reported different results, indicating a productive exploration of the problem's assumptions and calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for errors in textbooks and the importance of verifying given expressions. The discussion reflects a learning environment where assumptions about the vector field and its divergence are critically evaluated.

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Homework Statement


Using the fact that \nabla \cdot r^3 \vec{r} = 6 r^2 (where \vec{F(\vec{r})} = r^3 \vec{r}) where S is the surface of a sphere of radius R centred at the origin.

Homework Equations


<br /> \int \int \int_V \nabla \cdot \vec{F} dV =\int \int_S \vec{F} \cdot d \vec{S}<br />
That is meant to be a double surface integral but not sure how to do that in latex

The Attempt at a Solution


Very new to this, so be kind :)

for the LHS
<br /> \int \int \int_V \nabla \cdot \vec{F} dV = 6 \int \int \int_V r^2 dV \\<br /> = 6 \int_0^R r^2 r^2 dr \int_0^{2 \pi} d\phi \int_0^{\pi} \sin{\theta} d\theta \\<br /> = 6 [\frac{1}{5}r^5]_0^R [\phi]_0^{\pi} [\cos{\theta}]_0^{2 \pi} \\<br /> = 6(\frac{1}{5} R^5) (2 \pi ) (2) = \frac{24}{5} \pi R^5<br />

for the RHS
<br /> \int \int_S \vec{F} \cdot d\vec{S} = \int \int_S r^3 \vec{r} \cdot d \vec{S} = \int \int_S r^3 \vec{r} \cdot \vec{\hat{n}} dS \\<br />

Then I calc r^3 \vec{r} \cdot \vec{\hat{n}}

<br /> r^3 \vec{r} \cdot \vec{\hat{n}} = r^3 \vec{r} \cdot \frac{r^3 \vec{r}}{r^3 r} = \frac{r^2 r^3}{r} = r^4<br />

so...

<br /> \int \int_S r^3 \vec{r} \cdot \vec{\hat{n}} dS = \int \int_S r^4 dS \\<br /> = \int_0^{2 \pi} d \phi \int_0^{\pi} R^4 R^2 \sin{\theta} d \theta \\<br /> = R^6 [\phi]_0^{2 \pi} [\cos{\theta}]_0^{\pi} = 4 \pi R^6<br />
 
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Well, for starters, I don't think that ## \nabla \cdot r^3 \mathbf{r} = 6r^2 ##.
 
Geofleur said:
Well, for starters, I don't think that ## \nabla \cdot r^3 \mathbf{r} = 6r^2 ##.

That is a given though, it is part of the question. It says, "given that ## \nabla \cdot r^3 \mathbf{r} = 6r^2 ## ..."

I am assuming that the vector r=(x,y,z) as that is what is used throughout the coursework.
 
First, note that, if ## r ## has the dimension of length (##L##), then ##r^3 \mathbf{r} ## must have the dimension of ## L^4 ##. But the derivative has the dimension of ## 1 / L ##, so the result must have the dimension of ## L^3 ##, not ## L^2 ##. Second, you can just calculate it. Hint: Write ## r^3 \mathbf{r}## as ##r^3(x\mathbf{i} + y \mathbf{j} + z\mathbf{k}) ## and note that, for example, ## \frac{\partial r}{\partial x} = \frac{x}{r} ##.
 
Geofleur said:
First, note that, if ## r ## has the dimension of length (##L##), then ##r^3 \mathbf{r} ## must have the dimension of ## L^4 ##. But the derivative has the dimension of ## 1 / L ##, so the result must have the dimension of ## L^3 ##, not ## L^2 ##. Second, you can just calculate it. Hint: Write ## r^3 \mathbf{r}## as ##r^3(x\mathbf{i} + y \mathbf{j} + z\mathbf{k}) ## and note that, for example, ## \frac{\partial r}{\partial x} = \frac{x}{r} ##.
EDIT: Yes I have just calculated it, and i do get 6r^3!
 
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Even the greatest books have been known to contain errors. Besides, if you do the problem with the correct value of ## \nabla \cdot \mathbf{F} ##, everything works out the way it's supposed to.
 
Geofleur said:
Even the greatest books have been known to contain errors. Besides, if you do the problem with the correct value of ## \nabla \cdot \mathbf{F} ##, everything works out the way it's supposed to.
Yes, see my edit above. I get [itex[6r^3[/itex] ! Haha. My lecturer may have told us about the error, but if he did, I was either not there or didnt hear it! haha

Thanks!
 
Geofleur said:
Even the greatest books have been known to contain errors. Besides, if you do the problem with the correct value of ## \nabla \cdot \mathbf{F} ##, everything works out the way it's supposed to.

Yes I can see now that the LHS would also equal 4 \pi R^6 when using the correct value for the divergence of F. No wonder they were not equal to each other! I should have realized the mistake myself to be fair, but this was my first actual problem using Gauss' Theorem, thanks for your help.
 

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