GE Dielektrol Capacitor Popping Sound While Charging

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The discussion revolves around a user's experience with a GE Dielektrol capacitor that produces a popping sound while charging at high voltages. Participants explore potential causes for the sound, concerns about the capacitor's integrity, and the effects of temperature on its performance.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • The user reports a popping sound from the capacitor at voltages over 2000 volts during charging, which ceases when the charging wire is disconnected.
  • Some participants express concern about potential delamination within the capacitor and suggest contacting GE for expert advice.
  • There is speculation about the dielectric material possibly changing volume with temperature, affecting the capacitor's internal structure.
  • The user notes a decrease in capacitance from 1.88 to 1.54 microfarads, which may be influenced by temperature changes.
  • One participant warns about the risks of high-voltage capacitors self-charging and emphasizes safety precautions, including grounding.
  • A later post mentions the need for a charging resistor in conjunction with the neon sign transformer's current limiting feature.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for internal shorts and the importance of shielding the capacitor to prevent hazards.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of concern regarding the capacitor's condition and safety, with no consensus on the exact cause of the popping sound or the state of the dielectric material.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about the capacitor's internal condition and the effects of temperature on its performance. The discussion includes technical details that may depend on specific definitions and contexts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals working with high-voltage capacitors, those involved in electronics repair, or anyone curious about capacitor behavior under varying conditions.

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Hey everyone, so I just bought a used GE Dielektrol capacitor rated at 40,000 volts and 1.85 microfarads, and while I'm charging it up there is a popping sound that appears to be coming from inside the capacitor. It only occurs at voltages over about 2000 volts and only while the capacitor is charging. As soon as I disconnect one of the charging wires it goes silent. I'm using a neon sign transformer driven by a variac and run through a bridge rectifier consisting of 12 kv diodes so there is a ground potential from the charging wires but I don't know if this would have anything to do with it. The capacitor holds a charge and has no problems discharging. Also the capacitance has also decreased since I bought it from 1.88 to about 1.54 but I think that may be due to temperature because it's been in my near freezing garage for a day but before it was kept at room temperature (about 70 degrees). I'm a little scared the the dielectric might be failing but I don't really know. Any advice would be helpful, Thanks in advance!
 
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I think you're right to be concerned - could something be delaminating within the cap? I'd contact GE directly and try to find someone knowledgeable on that design. Don't forget that some HV caps, even when you think they are fully shorted, will 'self charge' to some intermediate voltage. (I had a nasty shock one time...). Make sure both electrodes are shorted to each other and Earth ground to safe them.
 
I sure hope the cap isn't falling apart inside. I'm probably going to call G.E. tomorrow but in the mean time I've brought the cap back inside to see if the capacitance will go back up. Hopefully it will or otherwise I've got even more problems. I'm wondering if maybe the dielectric inside is changing volume with the temperature and moving the conductive plates around or letting holes form or maybe even not absorbing into the dielectric material. And thanks for the tip on HV caps charging themselves with a ground potential! I never would have thought that that might happen but now that I think about it the Earth would make quite the capacitor :)
 
After making a few calls and some experimentation it turns out I couldn't just use the NST's current limiting and needed a charging resistor.
 
Good to hear. Make sure you have not damaged the cap - I'd recommend shielding it with
something to stop shrapnel if it decides to dump all its energy with an internal short...
 

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