General Relativity and Differential Geometry textbook problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem from a textbook on General Relativity and Differential Geometry, specifically focusing on the notation ##d(x,.)## and its implications for expressing distances in the context of Riemann normal coordinates. Participants are exploring the conditions under which the equation ##x^2=d(x,.)^2## can be valid.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of ##d(x,.)## and whether it is appropriate to equate ##x^2## with ##d(x,.)##, seeking clarification on the conditions for such an equality.
  • Another participant suggests that ##d(x,.)## could refer to a distance function, but expresses uncertainty about the notation used by the textbook author.
  • Some participants note that writing ##x^2 = g_{\mu\nu} x^\mu x^\nu## is common shorthand, but they find the use of ##d(x,.)## confusing, suggesting that ##d(x,x)## would be more appropriate.
  • A later reply proposes that in Riemann normal coordinates, the distance squared can be expressed in terms of the metric tensor and curvature, leading to a more complex expression involving higher-order terms.
  • Another participant challenges the interpretation of ##d(x,.)## as a distance function, favoring an alternative interpretation presented by another contributor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the meaning and appropriateness of the notation ##d(x,.)##, with no consensus reached on its interpretation or the validity of the equation ##x^2=d(x,.)^2##.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions behind the notation and the specific context in which the equality might hold, particularly in relation to Riemann normal coordinates.

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I'm studying General Relativity and Differential Geometry. In my textbook, the author has written ##x^2=d(x,.)## where d(x,y) is distance between two points ##x,y\in M##. I couldn't understand what d(x,.) means. Moreover, I am not sure if this is generally true to write ##x^2=g_{\mu\nu} x^\mu x^\nu=d(x,.)##. Under what conditions can one write ##x^2=d(x,.)##?
 
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shooride said:
I'm studying General Relativity and Differential Geometry. In my textbook, the author has written ##x^2=d(x,.)## where d(x,y) is distance between two points ##x,y\in M##. I couldn't understand what d(x,.) means. Moreover, I am not sure if this is generally true to write ##x^2=g_{\mu\nu} x^\mu x^\nu=d(x,.)##. Under what conditions can one write ##x^2=d(x,.)##?
Oops! I should write ##x^2=d(x,.)^2##
 
shooride said:
In my textbook...
Which textbook?
 
Nugatory said:
Which textbook?
Unfortunately, that book has been written in my native language! By this you mean it is meaningless to write x^2=d(x,.)?! I think that one can write x^2=d(x,.)^2 at least in Riemann normal coordinates...
 
Writing ##x^2 = g_{\mu\nu} x^\mu x^\nu## is common shorthand. I'm not sure why the author writes ##d(x,.)## because ##d(x,x)## would make more sense there. When you write something like ##d(x,.)## sometimes that means an operator that takes an object ##v^\mu## and acts to form ##d(x,v)##. It doesn't appear to be the case here, but perhaps more context would help.
 
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fzero said:
Writing ##x^2 = g_{\mu\nu} x^\mu x^\nu## is common shorthand. I'm not sure why the author writes ##d(x,.)## because ##d(x,x)## would make more sense there. When you write something like ##d(x,.)## sometimes that means an operator that takes an object ##v^\mu## and acts to form ##d(x,v)##. It doesn't appear to be the case here, but perhaps more context would help.
After that I posted this question, I realized ##d(x,.)## means distance function. BTW, I've tried to evaluate the distance between two point ##x^\mu## and ##y^\mu## in Riemann normal coordinates, what I get is
<br /> d(x,y)^2=g_{\mu\nu} (x^\mu-y^\mu)(x^\nu-y^\nu) +1/3 R_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}x^\rho x^\sigma(x^\mu-y^\mu)(x^\mu- y^\nu) + O((x^\mu-y^\mu)^3)<br />
So
<br /> d(x,0)^2=g_{\mu\nu} x^\mu x^\nu +1/3 R_{\mu\nu\rho\sigma}x^\rho x^\sigma x^\mu x^\mu + O(x^3)<br />
in this way, I think what author really means is
<br /> d(x,0)^2=x^2+O(x^2)<br />
with an abuse of notation!
 
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shooride said:
After that I posted this question, I realized ##d(x,.)## means distance function.
That doesn't make sense. I think fzero's interpretation is much more likely.
 

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