Generalized version of cannon ball problem

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The discussion centers on the existence of natural numbers n and C such that the sum of the first n natural numbers raised to the power p equals C squared, for all natural numbers p. A few known solutions include n = 24, p = 2, C = 70, and others for different values of p, but the general case remains unsolved. Participants express skepticism about finding a solution for arbitrary p, referencing the complexity of Diophantine equations and Hilbert's 10th problem. Despite the challenges, there is interest in formulating the problem for specific values of p to explore potential discoveries. The conversation concludes with a request for related articles on the topic.
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For All p in Natural Number,
Is \exists n , n > 1, \sum^{n}_{k=1} k^p = C^2 where C is arbitary natural number (not constant) ??
 
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kevin0960 said:
For All p in Natural Number,
Is \exists n , n > 1, \sum^{n}_{k=1} k^p = C^2 where C is arbitary natural number (not constant) ??

As far as I'm aware the only solution is:
n = 24
p = 2
C = 70
 
BruceG said:
As far as I'm aware the only solution is:
n = 24
p = 2
C = 70

No, I checked with mathematica n < 100,000, p < 20

there are some solutions such as

p = 5,
n = 13, 134, etc

I think there are more solutions.. :)
 
You're trying to solve a sequence of Diophantine equations. For a famous case, search for square triangular number.
 
CRGreathouse said:
You're trying to solve a sequence of Diophantine equations. For a famous case, search for square triangular number.

Yeah, I know

But what I mean was, is it possible to find the solution for arbitary p ??
 
kevin0960 said:
But what I mean was, is it possible to find the solution for arbitary p ?

Probably not. Diophantine equations are hard, in the sense of the negative answer to Hilbert's 10th.

But for any given p it should be possible to at least formulate the problem in that form to see if anything can be discovered. So, for example, with p = 7 you have

3x^8 + 12x^7 + 14x^6 - 7x^4 + 2x^2=24y^2
 
CRGreathouse said:
Probably not. Diophantine equations are hard, in the sense of the negative answer to Hilbert's 10th.

But for any given p it should be possible to at least formulate the problem in that form to see if anything can be discovered. So, for example, with p = 7 you have

3x^8 + 12x^7 + 14x^6 - 7x^4 + 2x^2=24y^2

It seems like we cannot find C for arbitary p,

But can we know the existence of C for arbitary p ??

I don't need to find the entire solutions, just a single one.
 
It's not clear that a solution exists for a given p. If not, I don't know of an easy way to prove it -- congruence conditions won't be enough, since n = 1 works and so there are always good congruence classes mod any prime power.
 
CRGreathouse said:
It's not clear that a solution exists for a given p. If not, I don't know of an easy way to prove it -- congruence conditions won't be enough, since n = 1 works and so there are always good congruence classes mod any prime power.

Yeah, It looks almost impossible to use modular to prove...

Do you know any related article about this??
 
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