Geometric Progressions: Finding the Sum of an Infinite Series

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The discussion revolves around the derivation and correction of gravitational equations. The first formula for gravitational acceleration, g' = g (d/(d+h)), is deemed incorrect, while the second formula, g' = g (1 - 2h/r), is identified as an approximation for small values of h/r. A participant corrects the second formula to g' = g (d/(d+h))^2 and later simplifies it to g' = g/(1+x)^2, where x = h/d. The conversation highlights the importance of simplifying mathematical expressions and suggests using geometric progressions for further understanding. Participants express a desire for clarity on the infinite sum related to geometric progressions.
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using Newtons equation for gravitational force
one can fling that the acceleration due to gravity, g' above the surface of Earth as

g' = g (d/(d+h))

but I find that there is a different equation for the same as

g' = g ( 1- 2h/r )

I know the first formula is right
but I can't doubt the first formula...
however the unit of h and r in the second formula is km as compared to the m of the first formula
please help me derive the second formula
 
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The first formula is wrong, and the second formula is an approximation to the corrected version of the first formula for small values of h/r.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
The first formula is wrong, and the second formula is an approximation to the corrected version of the first formula for small values of h/r.

Chet

so as you have said the first formula is wrong
then please show how its wrong

and yes please show the derivation method of the second equation

thanks
 
faiziqb12 said:
so as you have said the first formula is wrong
then please show how its wrong

and yes please show the derivation method of the second equation

thanks
Gravity varies inversely with distance (a) to the first power or (b) to the second power?
 
Chestermiller said:
Gravity varies inversely with distance (a) to the first power or (b) to the second power?

obviously to the 2nd power
 
Chestermiller said:
The first formula is wrong, and the second formula is an approximation to the corrected version of the first formula for small values of h/r.

Chet
I'm sorry but I missed the square in my second formula

the correct one is
g' = g (d / ( d+h )) ^ 2
 
faiziqb12 said:
I'm sorry but I missed the square in my second formula

the correct one is
##g' = g (d / ( d+h )) ^ 2##
Good. Now let x = h/d. Please re-express your equation in terms of x.
 
Chestermiller said:
Good. Now let x = h/d. Please re-express your equation in terms of x.

the new formula is then
g' = g ( 1 / (1+x) ) ^ 2
 
what am I supposed to do further
please suggest
 
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faiziqb12 said:
the new formula is then
g' = g ( 1 / (1+x) ) ^ 2
Good, this is correct even with all those parentheses. But, here's a piece of advice: if you don't simplify your mathematical expressions when you are at your present stage, you are going to encounter real problems (manipulating the mathematics) when you get to more complicated analyses. So, I'm going to simplify it for you:
$$g'=\frac{g}{(1+x)^2}$$
Have you gotten far enough in calculus to be able to expand this in a Taylor series about x = 0?

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
Good, this is correct even with all those parentheses. But, here's a piece of advice: if you don't simplify your mathematical expressions when you are at your present stage, you are going to encounter real problems (manipulating the mathematics) when you get to more complicated analyses. So, I'm going to simplify it for you:
$$g'=\frac{g}{(1+x)^2}$$
Have you gotten far enough in calculus to be able to expand this in a Taylor series about x = 0?

Chet

I'm sorry
but I can't. I'm just studying in class 9th
isn't there an alternative method
 
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faiziqb12 said:
I'm sorry
but I can't. I'm just studying in class 9th
isn't there an alternative method
Yes. From what you learned about geometric progressions, what is the infinite sum 1-x+x2-x3... equal to?
 
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Or look up the "binomial approximation." It's a very useful thing to know for situations like this.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Yes. From what you learned about geometric progressions, what is the infinite sum 1-x+x2-x3... equal to?

thanks chestmiller
looks like I can do it now

it would 've your goodness if you show me the whole method involving this progression
 
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