Geometric Progressions: Finding the Sum of an Infinite Series

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation and understanding of gravitational acceleration formulas, particularly focusing on two different equations for the acceleration due to gravity at a height above the Earth's surface. Participants explore the validity of these formulas, their approximations, and connections to geometric progressions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two formulas for gravitational acceleration, questioning the validity of the first formula while seeking derivation for the second.
  • Another participant asserts that the first formula is incorrect and that the second is an approximation for small values of height over radius.
  • There is a discussion about the inverse relationship of gravity with distance, with a preference expressed for the second power.
  • A correction is made regarding the second formula, introducing a square in the expression.
  • Participants discuss re-expressing the corrected formula in terms of a new variable, x, leading to a new formulation.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in expanding the formula into a Taylor series and seeks alternative methods.
  • Another participant suggests using knowledge of geometric progressions to find the infinite sum of a series.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the first formula, with multiple competing views on its validity and the nature of gravitational acceleration. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the derivation methods and the application of geometric progressions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the applicability of the formulas, the definitions of variables, and the mathematical steps involved in deriving the second formula.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students studying gravitational physics, mathematical derivations in physics, and those exploring geometric progressions in mathematical contexts.

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using Newtons equation for gravitational force
one can fling that the acceleration due to gravity, g' above the surface of Earth as

g' = g (d/(d+h))

but I find that there is a different equation for the same as

g' = g ( 1- 2h/r )

I know the first formula is right
but I can't doubt the first formula...
however the unit of h and r in the second formula is km as compared to the m of the first formula
please help me derive the second formula
 
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The first formula is wrong, and the second formula is an approximation to the corrected version of the first formula for small values of h/r.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
The first formula is wrong, and the second formula is an approximation to the corrected version of the first formula for small values of h/r.

Chet

so as you have said the first formula is wrong
then please show how its wrong

and yes please show the derivation method of the second equation

thanks
 
faiziqb12 said:
so as you have said the first formula is wrong
then please show how its wrong

and yes please show the derivation method of the second equation

thanks
Gravity varies inversely with distance (a) to the first power or (b) to the second power?
 
Chestermiller said:
Gravity varies inversely with distance (a) to the first power or (b) to the second power?

obviously to the 2nd power
 
Chestermiller said:
The first formula is wrong, and the second formula is an approximation to the corrected version of the first formula for small values of h/r.

Chet
I'm sorry but I missed the square in my second formula

the correct one is
g' = g (d / ( d+h )) ^ 2
 
faiziqb12 said:
I'm sorry but I missed the square in my second formula

the correct one is
##g' = g (d / ( d+h )) ^ 2##
Good. Now let x = h/d. Please re-express your equation in terms of x.
 
Chestermiller said:
Good. Now let x = h/d. Please re-express your equation in terms of x.

the new formula is then
g' = g ( 1 / (1+x) ) ^ 2
 
what am I supposed to do further
please suggest
 
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faiziqb12 said:
the new formula is then
g' = g ( 1 / (1+x) ) ^ 2
Good, this is correct even with all those parentheses. But, here's a piece of advice: if you don't simplify your mathematical expressions when you are at your present stage, you are going to encounter real problems (manipulating the mathematics) when you get to more complicated analyses. So, I'm going to simplify it for you:
$$g'=\frac{g}{(1+x)^2}$$
Have you gotten far enough in calculus to be able to expand this in a Taylor series about x = 0?

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
Good, this is correct even with all those parentheses. But, here's a piece of advice: if you don't simplify your mathematical expressions when you are at your present stage, you are going to encounter real problems (manipulating the mathematics) when you get to more complicated analyses. So, I'm going to simplify it for you:
$$g'=\frac{g}{(1+x)^2}$$
Have you gotten far enough in calculus to be able to expand this in a Taylor series about x = 0?

Chet

I'm sorry
but I can't. I'm just studying in class 9th
isn't there an alternative method
 
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faiziqb12 said:
I'm sorry
but I can't. I'm just studying in class 9th
isn't there an alternative method
Yes. From what you learned about geometric progressions, what is the infinite sum 1-x+x2-x3... equal to?
 
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Or look up the "binomial approximation." It's a very useful thing to know for situations like this.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Yes. From what you learned about geometric progressions, what is the infinite sum 1-x+x2-x3... equal to?

thanks chestmiller
looks like I can do it now

it would 've your goodness if you show me the whole method involving this progression
 

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