Good introductory book about general relativity at undergraduate level

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around recommendations for introductory books on general relativity suitable for undergraduate students. Participants share various titles, some considered standard and others nonstandard, while also discussing the suitability of these texts for different audiences and learning preferences.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants recommend standard texts such as Schutz, d’Inverno, and Hartle for undergraduate study.
  • Others suggest nonstandard options like Burke and Faber, noting their unique approaches.
  • A participant mentions that Hartle is preferable if one does not favor applications, while Schutz is recommended for those who do.
  • Several participants highlight newer texts, including Tom Moore's "A General Relativity Workbook" and Andrew Steane's "Relativity Made Relatively Easy," though some express concerns about their complexity for typical undergraduates.
  • Landau and Lifshitz's volume 2 is mentioned as a strong introductory text, emphasizing a relativity-first approach.
  • Some participants express enjoyment of Zee's "Einstein Gravity in a Nutshell," noting its engaging content but questioning its suitability for a first pass due to its breadth.
  • There are mentions of lecture series from MIT that complement certain books, particularly Sean Carroll's, which is noted as more advanced than Hartle.
  • Participants also reference older texts like Ellis & Williams and Ohanian's "Gravitation and Spacetime," suggesting they may be useful for a less technical audience.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the best introductory texts, with no clear consensus on a single recommended book. Different preferences for teaching styles and content depth lead to multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Some recommendations depend on the audience's background, with distinctions made between physics majors and a less technical audience. There are also references to external resources and discussions that may provide additional context.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for undergraduate students seeking introductory materials on general relativity, educators looking for teaching resources, and anyone interested in exploring various perspectives on learning this complex subject.

  • #31
PeroK said:
I don't think it's been mentioned that Sean Carroll's notes are online here:

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/grnotes

These form the basis of his GR textbook.
Thank you very much!
 
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  • #32
StenEdeback said:
Yes, it is personal.
I really like Zee's book, because they offer a lot of intuition, insights and context. That compensates the lack of rigour more than enough.

Also, they're actually fun to read. As a reviewer wrote: "his books are not meant for you to become experts, but to fal in love with the subject." Personally, I don't have the ambition to become an expert. I mainly want to be amazed and get an intuitive understanding. Al that rigorous math is easily forgotten anyway. But maybe I'm braindamaged.
 
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  • #33
dextercioby said:
For me it is a big no. If you can get your hands on Wu Ki Tung's book, it is all you need for group theory in physics without invoking sofisticated mathematics. It takes you from 0 to Young Tableaux for the classical groups, which are a foundation for Quantum Chromodynamics and Electroweak Theory in the Standard Model. It goes through the Lorentz group smoothly, without trying to attempt finesse which Zee misses (real vs complex, real vs complexified vs real forms of complexified Lie algebras).
As for GR, I only recommend two books: Ray D'Inverno's (first level) and Wald's (second and third level). If the latter is too expensive as a used book, then perhaps Norbert Straumann's text should serve the same spot, if found at a decent price.
Scanned PDFs of Wald are easy to find on the internet. I won’t link, because I am not sure about the legalities for different countries.
 
  • #34
haushofer said:
I really like Zee's book, because they offer a lot of intuition, insights and context. That compensates the lack of rigour more than enough.

Also, they're actually fun to read. As a reviewer wrote: "his books are not meant for you to become experts, but to fal in love with the subject." Personally, I don't have the ambition to become an expert. I mainly want to be amazed and get an intuitive understanding. Al that rigorous math is easily forgotten anyway. But maybe I'm braindamaged.
Well, the qft book is not that brillant. You can read it if you have already good knowledge about the topic. Then it offers entertaining approaches to the known topics, but imho usually it's not detailed enough for the beginner to really understand the topic. I don't mean the lack of rigor. Rigor in QFT is something for the mathematicians to work out. One should be aware that it's an unsolved problem. Except for toy models in lower dimensions afaik there's no rigorous non-perturbative treatment of real-world QFTs, let alone the Standard Model.
 
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