Graphing Functions of Differentiation

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The discussion revolves around finding the intervals of increase or decrease for the function h(x) = (x+1)^{5} - 5x - 2, focusing on its derivative and critical points.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the derivative h'(x) and its simplification, with some questioning the method of solving the inequality derived from the derivative. There are attempts to identify critical points and intervals of increase or decrease based on the sign of the derivative.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the derivative's behavior across specified intervals. Some have provided reasoning for their conclusions, while others are questioning the validity of certain approaches and seeking clarification on critical values.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of critical values being identified as 0 and -2, and the discussion includes considerations of how to determine the sign of the derivative in various intervals. Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of these critical points.

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Homework Statement



Find the intervals of increase or decrease.
[tex]h(x)=(x+1)^{5}-5x-2[/tex]

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The Attempt at a Solution



I found the derivative to be
\begin{align*}
h'(x) &= 5(x+1)^{4}-5 \\
&= 5[(x+1)^{4}-1] \\
&= (x^{4}+4x^{3}+6x^{2}+4x+1-1) \\
&= (x^{4}+4x^{3}+6x^{2}+4x) \\
&= x(x^{3}+4x^{2}+6x+4) \\
&= x[x^{2}(x+4)+2(3x+2)]
\end{align*} That is what I got so far.
 
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If your goal is to find out where ##h## is increasing or decreasing, then your first expression for ##h'(x)## is probably easier to work with than the rest of the stuff you wrote. For what values of ##x## is the following inequality true?
$$5(x+1)^4 - 5 >0$$
 
When x > 0 and when x < -2.
 
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frosty8688 said:
When x > 0 and when x < -2.
Please explain how you got this answer.
 
When x is greater than 0, the first part of the equation is greater than 5. Let's say you put in 1 for x and 5*2 - 5 = 5 which is greater than 0. Also, when x is less than -2, let's use -3, then -2^4 = 16 and 5*16= 80 and 80-5= 75, so x is greater than 0.
 
frosty8688 said:
When x is greater than 0, the first part of the equation is greater than 5. Let's say you put in 1 for x and 5*2 - 5 = 5 which is greater than 0. Also, when x is less than -2, let's use -3, then -2^4 = 16 and 5*16= 80 and 80-5= 75, so x is greater than 0.
It seems like you are just plugging in values for ##x##, as opposed to solving the inequality. A more careful line of argument might start as follows:

Observe that
$$5(x+1)^4 - 5 > 0$$
if and only if
$$5(x+1)^4 > 5$$
if and only if
$$(x+1)^4 > 1$$
If we put ##y = x+1## then this is equivalent to
$$y^4 > 1$$
Since the equation ##y^4 = 1## has exactly two real solutions (##y = \pm 1##), it follows that the equation ##(x+1)^4 = 1## has exactly two real solutions (##x = 0, -2##).

Now how can we use this to obtain the desired conclusion?
 
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The book has 0 and -2 as critical values.
 
frosty8688 said:
The book has 0 and -2 as critical values.
Thanks, I edited my previous post to fix the sign error. So what can you say about the sign of ##h'(x)## in each of the following intervals: ##(-\infty, -2)##, ##(-2, 0)##, ##(0, \infty)##?
 
It is increasing on (-∞,-2) and (0,∞) and decreasing on (-2,0) because x is greater than 0 on the intervals (-∞,-2) and (0,∞) and less than 0 on (-2,0).
 
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The derivative in this case is continuous. Once you have found the "critical points", where the derivative is 0, the derivative can change from "+" to "-" only where it is 0 so "plugging in values of x" in each interval is a perfectly valid way of solving the inequality.
 
  • #12
HallsofIvy said:
The derivative in this case is continuous. Once you have found the "critical points", where the derivative is 0, the derivative can change from "+" to "-" only where it is 0 so "plugging in values of x" in each interval is a perfectly valid way of solving the inequality.

I found that to be easier, because I still couldn't find out from the derivative how -2 was a critical number.
 
  • #13
What's the value of the derivative when x = -2?
 
  • #14
SteamKing said:
What's the value of the derivative when x = -2?

The answer is 0.
 

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