Graphing the response of an underdamped circuit

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The discussion centers on graphing the response of an underdamped circuit, focusing on how to manually sketch the response curve, identify maxima and minima, and understand the periodic nature of the function involved. The conversation includes both theoretical aspects and practical approaches to graphing.

Discussion Character

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in determining subsequent maxima and minima after finding the first maximum by taking the derivative of the response.
  • Another participant suggests that the derivative of the response is periodic and that subsequent zeros will occur one period after the first zero, indicating a repetitive nature in the graphing process.
  • A question is raised regarding the interpretation of the sine function in terms of degrees or radians.
  • A different approach is proposed, suggesting that participants can sketch the envelope of the graph defined by the exponential decay and then plot key points based on the sine function's values at specific intervals.
  • It is noted that the time period of the oscillations remains constant despite the decreasing amplitude, which may affect how the graph is sketched.
  • One participant mentions differentiating to confirm the locations of maxima and minima as a method to verify findings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various methods and interpretations for graphing the response, indicating that there is no single agreed-upon approach. Multiple perspectives on how to handle the graphing process remain, and the discussion does not reach a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the parameters of the circuit and the specific form of the response function are not fully detailed, which may affect the clarity of the discussion. The dependence on whether angles are in degrees or radians is also noted but not resolved.

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Graph the response v(t)
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I'm having difficulty as to how I would produce an approximately graph of the response just by hand. I was able to determine the first maximum by taking the derivative of the response and setting to zero and I'm stuck. How do I know the succeding minimum and maximum of this response? TIA.
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The derivative of the response is periodic with the same period as v(t), so the next zero will be one period after the first zero, and so on for the rest of them.

Just how extreme is "by hand"? Are you able to use a calculator to calculate values of the expression for a few values of t? The graph will be zero at t=0 and again after one period of the sine wave. You could calculate a few points in between and plot them.

You can see that the exponent in the exponential is 2t. That will decay rapidly, almost vanishing in the time of one cycle of the sine wave.
 
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Sin SQRT[(2)*t] ?
Time t in deg or rad?
 
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I'm having difficulty as to how I would produce an approximately graph of the response just by hand. I was able to determine the first maximum by taking the derivative of the response and setting to zero and I'm stuck. How do I know the succeding minimum and maximum of this response? TIA.
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With these [itex]y = A\exp(-kt) sin(t)[/itex] (whether it is [itex]sin[/itex] or [itex]cos[/itex]), if you are looking for a 'rough' response, I think an easy way is to first sketch your [itex]Ae^{-kt}[/itex] portion of the graph (above and below the t-axis) and this is the boundaries of your graph (because the trig part can vary from 0 to 1, so it will never go outside of this 'envelope'). Then you can think of a couple different points (e.g. [itex]0, \frac{\pi}{2}, \pi, etc...[/itex] and label those points on the graph). For example, I would think:
- for t = 0, sin(0) = 0 so y = 0
- for t = [itex]\frac{\pi}{2}[/itex], sin(pi/2) = 1, so the we will be at the value of [itex]y = Ae^{-kt}[/itex]
- for t = pi, sin(pi) = 0, so y = 0 again
- for t = [itex]\frac{3\pi}{2}[/itex], sin(3pi/2) = -1, so we will be at the value of [itex]y = \mathbf{-}Ae^{-kt}[/itex]

Then just connect the dots with a wave. I think this way is easier to do by hand when you just want a sketch. Hope that is of some use. Also note that the time period of the wave-forms/ oscillations remains constant despite the decreasing amplitude.

For the maximum and minimum, you could differentiate to confirm.
 
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