Gravitational Constant in GR: How & Why?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of the gravitational constant in General Relativity (GR) and its relationship to classical gravitation. Participants explore why the same constant is applicable in both frameworks and question the necessity of measuring a new constant for GR.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the gravitational constant, ##G##, is included in the Einstein equations to ensure that GR reduces to Newtonian gravity under certain conditions, such as slow-moving test particles in weak gravitational fields.
  • Others argue that ##G## can be viewed as a universal conversion factor between different units, implying that it remains consistent across both classical and relativistic frameworks as long as the same units are used.
  • A participant questions the historical context of the gravitational constant, noting that it was determined by Cavendish for classical gravitation and seeks clarification on its suitability for GR.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the notion that the gravitational constant serves a similar role in both classical and relativistic contexts, but there are varying interpretations of its significance and implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of measuring a new constant for GR.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of using the same gravitational constant in different theories and the historical context of its determination. There are also assumptions regarding the conditions under which GR reduces to Newtonian gravity that are not fully explored.

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(precursor: I have not formally studied GR)

I have noticed that the gravitational constant found in classical gravitation is also used in GR. Why is this the case? Am I correct in thinking that the constant was determined by Cavendish and was for the classical theory of gravitation? So, my question: how do we know that the same gravitational constant is suitable for GR and why did we not have to, say, measure a new constant?
 
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Zak said:
(precursor: I have not formally studied GR)

I have noticed that the gravitational constant found in classical gravitation is also used in GR. Why is this the case? Am I correct in thinking that the constant was determined by Cavendish and was for the classical theory of gravitation? So, my question: how do we know that the same gravitational constant is suitable for GR and why did we not have to, say, measure a new constant?

We get ##G## into the Einstein equations by requiring that they reduce to the classical gravitation law in the limit of slow (test-)particles in low gravitational fields.

Essentially the reason is that we want GR to supersede Newtonian gravity.
 
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Zak said:
I have noticed that the gravitational constant found in classical gravitation is also used in GR. Why is this the case?
As JorisL mentioned, you can look at is as a requirement so that GR can reduce to Newtonian gravity in the appropriate limit.

Another way to look at it is that G is just a universal conversion factor between different units, so any time that you will convert between the same units you will get a the same conversion factor.
 
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Zak said:
I have noticed that the gravitational constant found in classical gravitation is also used in GR. Why is this the case?
You can think of it in terms of reducing to Newtonian gravitation in the appropriate limit. You can also look at it as a conversion factor between different units. So then it is the same in both theories as long as you use the same units.
 

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