Gravitational Waves from Vanishing Sun: What Happens?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a hypothetical scenario where the Sun suddenly disappears, exploring the implications for gravitational waves and the laws of physics, particularly general relativity (GR). Participants examine the feasibility of such an event and its consequences within the framework of theoretical physics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the gravitational waves produced by the Sun's disappearance and whether conservation of mass-energy would be upheld, suggesting it might create a black hole.
  • Another participant asserts that the scenario cannot be described within general relativity due to the violation of local conservation of stress-energy, indicating that the question lacks a valid physical basis.
  • Some participants express that the premise of the Sun disappearing has no physical meaning, rendering any discussion of effects equally fantastical.
  • A later reply elaborates on the idea of spacetime curvature attempting to adjust in the absence of the Sun's mass and energy, while acknowledging the speculative nature of this thought experiment.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for a scenario that adheres to the laws of physics to facilitate meaningful discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the scenario is poorly formed and violates fundamental physical laws, leading to a lack of consensus on any meaningful discussion regarding the implications of such an event.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the hypothetical scenario, particularly the dependence on the laws of physics and the implications of violating conservation principles. The speculative nature of the thought experiment is acknowledged by multiple participants.

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Classic question of the Sun disappearing into the aether, with General Relativity in mind.
For some time I was wondering, what would happen if the Sun just disappeared like someone hit the delete button in Universal Sandbox. Specifically, what kind of gravitational waves will be produced in the wake of such an event?
Would the law of conservation of Mass-Energy be miraculously conserved by the Gravitational waves? Would whatever outcome be incompatible with GR? Would they just rip a hole in the fabric of spacetime and create a black hole? (probably the most likely outcome)
 
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Zugr said:
For some time I was wondering, what would happen if the Sun just disappeared like someone hit the delete button in Universal Sandbox.
You cannot describe that happening in general relativity because it violates local conservation of stress-energy, which is baked into the equations. So there is no answer to your question.
 
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The best answer is that the question is poorly formed.

There is no physical meaning to 'the sun simply disappears', so any effect from such a fantastical premise is also fantastical.

[ EDIT ] D'oh! Ibix got the early worm.
 
DaveC426913 said:
The best answer is that the question is poorly formed.

There is no physical meaning to 'the sun simply disappears', so any effect from such a fantastical premise is also fantastical.

[ EDIT ] D'oh! Ibix got the early worm.
Fair enough, I was imagining a scenario in which one moment, everything is normal, and then the next, all the particles that constitute the Sun are no longer there, only leaving the curvature in spacetime that will probably attempt to ‘right itself’ since there is no longer any mass or energy to curve it.
Though I’m probably extrapolating too much from imagining spacetime as a literal fabric.
 
Zugr said:
I was imagining a scenario in which one moment, everything is normal, and then the next, all the particles that constitute the Sun are no longer there
As has already been said, this would violate local conservation of stress-energy. It is pointless to imagine a scenario that violates the laws of physics, and then ask what the laws of physics say about them.

You will need to come up with a scenario that doesn't violate the laws of physics if you want to discuss it here.

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