Gravity and velocity of a body in an elliptical orbit

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In an elliptical orbit, the velocity of a body at its farthest point can be determined using angular momentum conservation, yielding V = (r/R)v. The discussion highlights that while the angular momentum method is accurate, the alternative approach using centrifugal and gravitational forces is less applicable to elliptical motion, as it primarily describes circular motion. Participants debate the relevance of gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy in this context, questioning whether their sum remains constant. It is noted that for a significant mass difference between the central body and the orbiting body, the approximation holds true, but the mass of the central body complicates general calculations. The conversation emphasizes the need for a clear understanding of the forces and energy involved in elliptical orbits.
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consider a body revolving around a star and having a velocity v when closest to the star ( distance r) then the velocity of the body at a point farthest ( distance R) is?
1)by angular momentum conservation ::
r × mv = R× mV
»V = (r/R).v

2) By centrifugal and gravitatinal force
v²/r = GM/r²
v² α 1/r
in this we can get V = (r/R)½ v

the angular momentum method is the right method ... but what am i missing out on from method no. 2??
 
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Suraj M said:
v²/r
That's the centripetal acceleration for circular motion, not elliptical motion in general.
 
A.T. said:
That's the centripetal acceleration for circular motion, not elliptical motion in general.
considering a small sector of the particles motion ..can't we use this
if not then how do we solve this through gravitational force??
 
Suraj M said:
considering a small sector of the particles motion ..can't we use this
No.

Suraj M said:
if not then how do we solve this through gravitational force??
Gravitational potential energy vs. kinetic energy?
 
A.T. said:
No.

Gravitational potential energy vs. kinetic energy?
how'd you do that? Is the sum of the KE and GPE const.?? that's not necessary is it?
 
Suraj M said:
Is the sum of the KE and GPE const.?? that's not necessary is it?
If M >> m then it's approximately true in the approximately inertial rest frame of M. Otherwise you have to consider the KE of M too.
 
A.T. said:
If M >> m then it's approximately true in the approximately inertial rest frame of M. Otherwise you have to consider the KE of M too.
but in that way i would need the mass of the central body to find V ...and that's not a general case..
 
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