Gravity Decrease in Discs: Rate Explained

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The discussion revolves around the rate of gravitational decrease in a disc compared to a sphere, exploring how gravity behaves as one moves from the center of the disc to its edge and beyond. Participants inquire about the gravitational effects both within the disc and in directions perpendicular to it, touching on theoretical implications and comparisons to spherical bodies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the rate of gravitational decrease within a disc, suggesting it may be constant like in a sphere, and seeks clarification on the behavior of gravity as one moves outward from the center to the rim and beyond.
  • Another participant proposes that the gravitational decrease could be linear within the confines of the disc, similar to a sphere, and speculates on the implications for galaxies, suggesting a gradual transition from a spherical to a disc-like gravitational profile.
  • Concerns are raised about varying density within celestial bodies, questioning whether this affects gravitational behavior, similar to how planets exhibit density variations.
  • A participant references the Alderson disk as a potential resource, although it is noted that it does not directly answer the original question.
  • One participant provides a mathematical perspective on gravity, emphasizing the inverse square law and the shell theorem, while noting that acceleration remains constant if density is uniform and the disc is of infinitesimal thickness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of gravitational decrease in a disc, with some suggesting linearity while others reference established laws like the inverse square law. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact behavior of gravity in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge potential limitations in their assumptions, such as the uniformity of density and the thickness of the disc, which may influence gravitational calculations.

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Just wondering what the rate of gravitational decrease is in a disc - as opposed to a sphere.

I know the decrease inside a sphere is at a constant rate g1/r but that once you leave the sphere it then decreases at a squared rate g2/r2.

So, while inside a disc at what rate does the gravity decrease if you are moving out from the centre of the disc towards the rim and then when you continue to move away out from the rim?

Also, a what rate does the gravity decrease if you move from the centre away from the disc in a direction perpendicular to the disc?

Can anyone help me with the answer? Thanks if you can.
 
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Wouldn't the rate of gravitational decrease within a disc from centre to edge be at a constant rate also; just like for a sphere?

A sphere would create a greater dimple in space-time than a disc but essentially within their confines the change in gravity would be by a linear amount wouldn't it?

If that is so, wouldn't this effect essentially be why galaxies seem to have a constant rate of decrease in gravity outwards.

It changes from a bulge at the centre to a flatter spiral disc shape outwards. So the centre might act more sphere like graduating out to acting more disc like but essentially this would still be a gradual process so that the rate of gravitational decrease would still be fairly linear wouldn't it?

Or are there problems with with I am saying - such as varying density? Just like there is for a planet scenario where the planet is most dense at it's centre. (Are planets most dense at their centre?) Either way planets vary in density in different places so I guess a galaxy would be similar.

Does the above make sense or am I completely off track?
 
Hi Nik. Thanks, but doesn't really tell me my answer.
 
Gravity works according to an inverse square law: [tex]\vec{F}=\frac{GMm\vec{r}}{|\vec{r}|^3}\Rightarrow{}|\vec{F}|=\frac{GMm}{|\vec{r}|^2}[/tex]where G is the universal gravitational constant, M is the mass of one (spherically symmetric or very small) object, m is the mass of the another (similar) object, and r is the vector from one to the other. There is a mathematical property of inverse square laws called http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_theorem" of the disk. Note that the acceleration is a constant independent of one's distance from the center of the disk (this property depends on the density being a constant in terms of r and assumes the disk to be of infinitesimal thickness).
 
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