Gravity = warping of spacetime (doesn't make sense)

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I don't see how the bending of spacetime can be a proper way of explaining to people gravity.
Why would bending of space-time imply movement?, (or acceleration.)
The analogy with a ball on a bed sheet can only go so far. (which isn't very far.)
Is this lame analogy used only because, there aren't really any analogies that can be used?

The ball on a bed sheet means there is some other forces that pull objects along with spacetime in some other dimension. Because I've never heard of that, I assume its not true, which makes me wonder why people use that analogy.

(I word things loosely, try to know what I mean please.)
 
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Jonnyb42 said:
I don't see how the bending of spacetime can be a proper way of explaining to people gravity.
Why would bending of space-time imply movement?, (or acceleration.)
Do you understand the concept of a worldline in a spacetime diagram?
 
Hi Jonnyb42! :smile:
Jonnyb42 said:
¬ The ball on a bed sheet means there is some other forces that pull objects along with spacetime in some other dimension. Because I've never heard of that, I assume its not true, which makes me wonder why people use that analogy.

Yes, I see what you mean …

but the justification for that analogy is that it demonstrates what happens, rather than why it happens …

it demonstrates how the intrinsic curvature of space-time affects "straight" lines.

An alternative would be to have a hump (upward) rather than a hollow, and then show that a string stretched tight has to deviate from a "2D" straight line …

unfortunately, that has the deviation in the wrong direction (outward instead of inward), and so the ball on the bedsheet analogy is still the best we have.
 
Do you understand the concept of a worldline in a spacetime diagram?
I don't know this yet, you could try to explain if you like.

but the justification for that analogy is that it demonstrates what happens, rather than why it happens …
I suppose.

I have not studied General Relativity, so therefore my only understanding of it is by that analogy (and some special relativity), so of course I would analyze it like that.
I am currently trying to understand rotation, (not circular motion, but along the lines of Mach's principle)

I DO plan on studying GR by the way.

Also, how do you properly spell spacetime?
 
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Jonnyb42 said:
I don't know this yet, you could try to explain if you like.
OK, to draw a worldline you start with two axes, one labeled x for space and one labeled t for time, this is called a spacetime diagram. Then for every t coordinate you mark the position of the particle, x(t), at that time. Hopefully you immediately recognize that this represents a point particle as a line (aka worldline) in the spacetime.

Now then, you can describe the motion of particles in terms of geometric figures in the spacetime diagram. A particle which is moving inertially will have a worldline which is a straight line, and conversely a particle which is being acted on by a force will have a curved worldline.

Any questions so far?
 
A particle which is moving inertially will have a worldline which is a straight line,
Well, if a particle is falling in a gravitational field, it is inertial yet won't have a straight line?
But maybe that isn't covered in special relativity...
and thank you very much for the explanation!
 
Jonnyb42 said:
Well, if a particle is falling in a gravitational field, it is inertial yet won't have a straight line?
But maybe that isn't covered in special relativity...
and thank you very much for the explanation!
In special relativity, with no gravity, you draw your spacetime diagram on a flat sheet of paper. Two particles permanently at rest relative to each other are represented by parallel worldlines.

In general relativity, with gravity included, you draw your spacetime diagram on a curved sheet of paper. Two freely falling particles initially at rest relative to each other are represented by worldlines which start off parallel, but the curvature of the sheet of paper makes the lines converge or diverge further along the lines.

For a picture, try www.relativitet.se/spacetime1.html.
 
Jonnyb42 said:
Well, if a particle is falling in a gravitational field, it is inertial yet won't have a straight line?
But maybe that isn't covered in special relativity...
and thank you very much for the explanation!
That is a good transition to the next part.

An inertial object has a straight worldline. If two inertial objects are initially at rest wrt each other then their worldlines form two parallel lines which never intersect. However, due to gravitation we see that two inertial objects may begin initially at rest wrt each other and then accelerate towards each other and eventually intersect. How is it possible for two lines to start out parallel to each other, each be straight, and yet intersect?

In a flat spacetime it is not possible, but that is exactly what defines a curved spacetime. In a curved space straight lines are called "geodesics", and they have the usual properties that you expect of straight lines in flat spacetime: they minimize the distance between points and they don't turn anywhere (parallel transport the tangent vector).

As an example consider geodesics on the surface of a sphere (great circles). Suppose two people begin walking due north from the equator, meaning they are initially going parallel to each other. They go straight at each point without turning either left or right at all, and yet they will intersect at the north pole. The surface of a sphere is a curved space.
 
DaleSpam said:
As an example consider geodesics on the surface of a sphere (great circles). Suppose two people begin walking due north from the equator, meaning they are initially going parallel to each other. They go straight at each point without turning either left or right at all, and yet they will intersect at the north pole. The surface of a sphere is a curved space.

great example Dale.

it is also of interest to note that the points of intersection of the 3 great circles in your example (the equator, the path of person A, and the path of person B) will form a triangle. let's expound on this concept and say for simplicity's sake that, while persons A and B both start out on the equator, they also start out 90° of longitude apart. so while both their paths are perpendicular to the equator when they both start out due north, so are they perpendicular to each other at the north pole itself. hence the triangle formed by the path of person A, the path of person B, and the equator itself has internal angles that sum to 270°. this is in stark contrast to the 180° that a triangle's interior angles always sums to in Euclidean (flat) space. thus, when a triangle's angles sum to more or less than 180°, one can be certain that said triangle does not lie on a flat surface or in a flat, non-curved, Euclidean space.
 
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Jonnyb42 said:
The ball on a bed sheet means there is some other forces that pull objects along with spacetime in some other dimension.

You're quite right to be skeptical of the analogy, but it's not totally useless

The only need for a force in the analogy is to constrain objects to the sheet. You could imagine, instead, objects being constrained between two frictionless sheets. Or better yet, imagine that the objects can only "live" in the 2-dimensional sheet, and no force is required to keep them in it.

(Another thing that makes the rubber-sheet analogy less than ideal is that it's easy to mix up the idea of curvature of the space and the idea of a gravity well. So it's better to imagine objects living only in the sheet with no external gravity involved as a constraining force.)

The analogy definitely has its limitations because it only shows the curvature of space, whereas gravity is caused by the curvature of spacetime. It's a good analogy for explaining the bending of light grazing the sun or the precession of the perihelion of Mercury, but it only gets you the part of the effect due to the curvature of space alone.

And it's not a good analogy for understanding why we feel gravity on the Earth's surface, because there the curvature in the direction of the time coordinate is dominant. Imagining the curvature of time is rather difficult.
 
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Daverz said:
And it's not a good analogy for understanding why we feel gravity on the Earth's surface, because there the curvature in the direction of the time coordinate is dominant. Imagining the curvature of time is rather difficult.

could you elaborate on that a bit? how do we know that the gravity we feel here on Earth is due to the curvature of time more than it is due to the curvature of space? is it simply due to the fact that the Earth is not a relativistic body with gravity strong enough to cause greater curvature of the space near and around it? would then the gravity of a neutron star or a black hole consequently be as much (or more of) a manifestation of space curvature than time curvature?
 
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Jonnyb42 said:
I don't see how the bending of spacetime can be a proper way of explaining to people gravity.
Why would bending of space-time imply movement?, (or acceleration.)
The analogy with a ball on a bed sheet can only go so far. (which isn't very far.)
Is this lame analogy used only because, there aren't really any analogies that can be used?

The ball on a bed sheet means there is some other forces that pull objects along with spacetime in some other dimension. Because I've never heard of that, I assume its not true, which makes me wonder why people use that analogy.

(I word things loosely, try to know what I mean please.)
It actually makes total sense.

By the way curvature causes inertial acceleration which causes movement.
 
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94JZA80 said:
could you elaborate on that a bit? how do we know that the gravity we feel here on Earth is due to the curvature of time more than it is due to the curvature of space? is it simply due to the fact that the Earth is not a relativistic body with gravity strong enough to cause greater curvature of the space near and around it? would then the gravity of a neutron star or a black hole consequently be as much (or more of) a manifestation of space curvature than time curvature?
In the Schwarzschild solution the curvature through space is essentially equal to the curvature in the time dimension. But the reason that curvature of time is more important for us is that we are much longer in the time dimension than in the spatial dimensions.
 
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DaleSpam said:
In the Schwarzschild solution the curvature through space is essentially equal to the curvature in the time dimension. But the reason that curvature of time is more important for us is that we are much longer in the time dimension than in the spatial dimensions.
Could you qualify that comment DaleSpam?

Are you saying that all observers (stationary, free falling at escape velocities, free falling at other velocities, accelerating other than stationary) experience only curvature in the time dimension, or are you only referring to the Schwarzschild 'observer' at infinity.
 
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DrGreg said:
In general relativity, with gravity included, you draw your spacetime diagram on a curved sheet of paper.

Well now I am very confused, I had thought that curving spacetime would only scale the axis of the spacetime diagram. But you say that the spacetime diagram is drawn on curved paper, that implies curving in some OTHER dimension, not time or the 3 spatial dimensions (or 1 spatial dimension in this example.)
 
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Jonnyb42 said:
Well now I am very confused, I had thought that curving spacetime would only scale the axis of the spacetime diagram. But you say that the spacetime diagram is drawn on curved paper, that implies curving in some OTHER dimension, not time or the 3 spatial dimensions (or 1 spatial dimension in this example.)
Well, yes, that is the way to picture this. It doesn't mean that there literally exists in any physical sense a 5th dimension for 4D spacetime to curve into, but nevertheless the 4D equations that describe the geometry of spacetime are the 4D equivalent of the 2D equations that describe the geometry of a 2D surface that is curved within 3D space.
 
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Jonnyb42 said:
I don't see how the bending of spacetime can be a proper way of explaining to people gravity.
Why would bending of space-time imply movement?, (or acceleration.)
The analogy with a ball on a bed sheet can only go so far. (which isn't very far.)
Is this lame analogy used only because, there aren't really any analogies that can be used?

The ball on a bed sheet means there is some other forces that pull objects along with spacetime in some other dimension. Because I've never heard of that, I assume its not true, which makes me wonder why people use that analogy.

(I word things loosely, try to know what I mean please.)

OMG! This is EXACTLY what I was thinking sense I began looking at theories of gravity, and looking at the problems with them. Gravitons don't make sense either. Space warping make only a bit more sense...any other theories of gravity?
 
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The reasons I don't think Gravitons make any sense also is why I think gravity is slower that light, not at the same exact rate. If light is constant..well great, but gravitons would have to travel at the speed of light, but gravity eventually stops effecting stuff. So with that logic, gravitons would de-accelerate, therefore they couldn't be constant, and gravitons wouldn't exist and gravity isn't constant, and doesn't travel at the speed of light.
 
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94JZA80 said:
could you elaborate on that a bit? how do we know that the gravity we feel here on Earth is due to the curvature of time more than it is due to the curvature of space? is it simply due to the fact that the Earth is not a relativistic body with gravity strong enough to cause greater curvature of the space near and around it? would then the gravity of a neutron star or a black hole consequently be as much (or more of) a manifestation of space curvature than time curvature?

This thread might be helpful:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=149932
 
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Jonnyb42 said:
Well now I am very confused, I had thought that curving spacetime would only scale the axis of the spacetime diagram. But you say that the spacetime diagram is drawn on curved paper, that implies curving in some OTHER dimension, not time or the 3 spatial dimensions (or 1 spatial dimension in this example.)

Like Greg says, that's the way we usually picture a curved surface, as curving in some "ambient" space that the surface is embedded in. It turns out, though, that curvature is an intrinsic property of a surface or space (or spacetime), and that we can calculate it from measurements made only in the surface, without any reference to an ambient space. This was proved by Gauss in the 19th Century:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theorema_Egregium
 
  • #21
Lazernugget said:
The reasons I don't think Gravitons make any sense also is why I think gravity is slower that light, not at the same exact rate. If light is constant..well great, but gravitons would have to travel at the speed of light, but gravity eventually stops effecting stuff. So with that logic, gravitons would de-accelerate, therefore they couldn't be constant, and gravitons wouldn't exist and gravity isn't constant, and doesn't travel at the speed of light.

What? Gravitational waves travel at c - a consequence naturally arising from the wave equation for gravitational waves. Gravitational waves are predominantly quadrapole hence why gravitons are spin 2 particles. Don't really see what is nonsensical about that. Don't see what you mean by gravity eventually "stops effecting stuff".
 
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WannabeNewton said:
What? Gravitational waves travel at c - a consequence naturally arising from the wave equation for gravitational waves. Gravitational waves are predominantly quadrapole hence why gravitons are spin 2 particles. Don't really see what is nonsensical about that. Don't see what you mean by gravity eventually "stops effecting stuff".

I believe he is talking about the inverse square law.
 
  • #23
Lazernugget said:
The reasons I don't think Gravitons make any sense also is why I think gravity is slower that light, not at the same exact rate. If light is constant..well great, but gravitons would have to travel at the speed of light, but gravity eventually stops effecting stuff. So with that logic, gravitons would de-accelerate, therefore they couldn't be constant, and gravitons wouldn't exist and gravity isn't constant, and doesn't travel at the speed of light.
Gravitons would be a feature of quantum gravity, and we don't yet have such a theory. What we do have are gravitational waves within the general theory of relativity, which always travel at the speed of light. But they occur only when there is a change of gravity; in a "constant gravitational field" (to use Newtonian language) there is no need for gravitational waves or gravitons: the gravity that is already there continues to be there.
 
  • #24
Passionflower said:
Are you saying that all observers (stationary, free falling at escape velocities, free falling at other velocities, accelerating other than stationary) experience only curvature in the time dimension, or are you only referring to the Schwarzschild 'observer' at infinity.
Sorry about the confusion. I was referring to any non-relativistic particle or observer in the Schwarzschild metric.
 
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Jonnyb42 said:
Why would bending of space-time imply movement?, (or acceleration.)
The model goes like this:
- Everything advances in space-time. Objects at rest in space advance only along the time dimension.
- Free falling objects advance "straight ahead" (on geodesics) in space-time.
- Acceleration in space is a change in the direction of the space-time advance.
- If space-time is curved, free falling objects will change their direction in space-time, and thus accelerate in space.

Jonnyb42 said:
The analogy with a ball on a bed sheet can only go so far. (which isn't very far.)
Is this lame analogy used only because, there aren't really any analogies that can be used?
Yes, it is a lame analogy. It ignores the time dimension, and uses gravity to explain gravity. And yes there are better analogies:

Dr Greg posted one:
http://www.relativitet.se/spacetime1.html

Here are similar ones:
http://www.physics.ucla.edu/demoweb..._and_general_relativity/curved_spacetime.html
http://www.adamtoons.de/physics/gravitation.swf
 
  • #26
Jonnyb42 "Is this lame analogy used only because, there aren't really any analogies that can be used?"

I think I read it on this forum. Gravity is the path of least energy. That one pictures well I think.
 
  • #27
Jonnyb42 said:
I don't see how the bending of spacetime can be a proper way of explaining to people gravity.
Why would bending of space-time imply movement?, (or acceleration.)
The analogy with a ball on a bed sheet can only go so far. (which isn't very far.)
Is this lame analogy used only because, there aren't really any analogies that can be used?

The ball on a bed sheet means there is some other forces that pull objects along with spacetime in some other dimension. Because I've never heard of that, I assume its not true, which makes me wonder why people use that analogy.

You are exactly on to the fact that general relativity does not give the means of acceleration. It gives the effect of mass-having bodies on spacetime (in mathematical form), and it says that gravity is induced by this "warping," but there is not means by which gravity is actually carried out.

I like your second point; it is one I found troubling as well. Using the sheet and ball idea, it is insinuated that gravity pulls the ball down on the sheet. But this is cheating. We all know that in the dictionary you cannot use a word in the definition for itself..
 
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cbd1 said:
You are exactly on to the fact that general relativity does not give the means of acceleration. It gives the effect of mass-having bodies on spacetime (in mathematical form), and it says that gravity is induced by this "warping," but there is not means by which gravity is actually carried out.
Sure it does: the "means of acceleration" is the curvature of spacetime which is "carried out" by the distribution of stress-energy as described by the EFE.
 
  • #29
cbd1 said:
You are exactly on to the fact that general relativity does not give the means of acceleration.
Of course it does. See my post #25 and the links in it.
 
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cbd1 said:
I like your second point; it is one I found troubling as well. Using the sheet and ball idea, it is insinuated that gravity pulls the ball down on the sheet. But this is cheating. We all know that in the dictionary you cannot use a word in the definition for itself..

That is quite correct-but by the principe of equivalence - there is only one kind of mass - in some way the inertia of the mass acts to distort the sheet - Einstein didn't give the mechanism -I view the metaphore as the sheet resting in free space with the ball resting on the sheet - now grab the four corners of the sheet and accelerate them in the direction perpendicular to the plane of the sheet - the ball accelerates also, but because of its intrinsic inertia, it depresses a curved indentation in the sheet - if there were another lighter ball nearby it would roll toward the first ball because of the depression - in this analogy you create the stretch without mentioning gravity - which is as it should be because there is no separate thing as gravitational mass ...take the similitude a bit further and imagine the sheet is made from strands of time in one direction and strands of space in the other - you now have space time distortion - and if you want to embellish further imagine space as accelerating as we know the universe is a c^2/R and derive the gravitational constant
 
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Nature follows the ideal path.
the partticle should flood into the mass center because it si the extreme path so called geodesic. Euler-Lagrange equations works cool and follows from that the einsteign gravity equation.
 
  • #32
Ok.
we can e*find from the einstein equations that there are gravitaional waves. We interpret that by the existence of particles of gravitaion intercation call them gravitons.
I think GR is plenty of answers.Only some friends find it strainge to believe.
 
  • #33
In defense of the rubber sheet, its good up to the point of seeing that the rolling ball's trajectory is also a geodesic. No doubt that's why physicists proposed it.

Although there is gravity in the rubber-sheet analogy, it is uniform and therefore not a crucial part of the point made by the analogy.
 
  • #34
Antiphon said:
In defense of the rubber sheet, its good up to the point of seeing that the rolling ball's trajectory is also a geodesic.
No, it's not a geodesic in general. The ball's trajectory on the sheet depends on the ball's initial speed, even if the initial direction is held constant. But a geodesic path depends only on the initial direction.

And if even if it was a geodesic (in some special case) it would still not explain the acceleration of objects initially at rest in space, because the rubber sheet represents only the spatial dimensions.

Antiphon said:
Although there is gravity in the rubber-sheet analogy, it is uniform and therefore not a crucial part of the point made by the analogy.
And what is the point made by the analogy? It is clearly not an analogy of the GR's model of gravity, as it fails to incorporate the key feature: geodesics on non curved manifolds.

It could just as well be an analogy for Newtonian gravity, where the sheet represents the gravitational potential. It fails to show what is really new in GR compared to Newton.
 
  • #35
Jonnyb42 said:
Well now I am very confused, I had thought that curving spacetime would only scale the axis of the spacetime diagram. But you say that the spacetime diagram is drawn on curved paper, that implies curving in some OTHER dimension, not time or the 3 spatial dimensions (or 1 spatial dimension in this example.)


I was going to say the same thing as others have already said. General Relativity is only concerned with intrinsic curvature. Extrinsic curvature would cover an embedding within a higher dimensional manifold, and how spacetime would curve INTO that manifold.

So, with that said, GR doesn't worry about it.

But, it does make you wonder, if the Universe is expanding, which means spacetime is expanding ... what exactly is it expanding INTO. Is our Universe embedded within a higher dimensional manifold?

Only being concerned with intrinsic curvature, GR offers no answers here.
 
  • #36
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/5015/spacetimelu3.jpg

Keep in mind that each of the "gaps" between those lines is the same distance apart, so the region where the lines are curved inwards is "deeper".

Feynman explained it wonderfully (as he always does) by pointing out that if you drew a circle around the curved region, and calculated what the radius would be for that circle, upon actually measuring it you would come up with an excess radius!
 
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Max™ said:
Feynman explained it wonderfully (as he always does) by pointing out that if you drew a circle around the curved region, and calculated what the radius would be for that circle, upon actually measuring it you would come up with an excess radius!
What you measure really depends on what kind of observer.

In a Schwarzschild solution for a stationary observer at a certain distance from the 'center' the volume of a sphere surrounding it would indeed be larger than as would be expected by measuring the surface of this sphere.

However for a radially free falling (from infinity) observer this would not be the case.
 
  • #38
Yeah, but I was trying to avoid causing extra confusion, hence the simplified explanation as provided by Feynman.

:P
 
  • #39
Passionflower said:
What you measure really depends on what kind of observer.

In a Schwarzschild solution for a stationary observer at a certain distance from the 'center' the volume of a sphere surrounding it would indeed be larger than as would be expected by measuring the surface of this sphere.

However for a radially free falling (from infinity) observer this would not be the case.

I don't think the red part is true. But I'm not sure how exactly you envision the free faller to perform that measurement, of a sphere around a center that accelerates relative to him.

However, locally the free falling observer can measure tidal forces and thus the curvature of space time.
 
  • #40
A.T. said:
I don't think the red part is true. But I'm not sure how exactly you envision the free faller to perform that measurement, of a sphere around a center that accelerates relative to him.

However, locally the free falling observer can measure tidal forces and thus the curvature of space time.
The difference between two Schwarzschild r values is never equal to its proper distance except for a radially free falling observer (who is free falling from infinity, e.g. an observer free falling at escape velocity).

It is true that two free falling points a given distance away will not be able to maintain this distance without proper acceleration but that does not invalidate the above statement.
 
  • #41
This is probably the best description I've heard:"I think I'm probably going to inspire more questions than understanding here, but I'll give it a shot anyway.
General relativity is a geometric theory. That means it has to do with geometry more than anything else. John Archibald Wheeler called it "geometrodynamics," as an analogy to "electrodynamics," but the name never really caught on.
So we start by thinking very abstractly about geometry.
Remember your Euclidean geometry, from school? It's a very simple, very idealized geometry, with a basic logic that's easy to wrap your head around. Lines which are parallel at one point are parallel everywhere. The interior angles of a triangle always add up to half a circle. The distance between two points is a function of the relative positions of those two points. And so on.
Well it turns out Euclidean geometry is not the only possible geometry. It's possible to construct, by careful manipulation of the basic geometric postulates, geometries which are entirely consistent, but which are different from Euclidean geometry.
In the 1800s, a variety of mathematical discoveries made it possible to describe arbitrary geometries in a rigorous, consistent way. It's possible for straight lines to curve. It's possible to have a geometry in which lines are parallel at one point, converge at another point, diverge at another point and so on. It's possible to have a geometry in which translating the same triangle from one region to another changes the sum of its internal angles.
This might sound odd, but it really isn't. It's Euclidean geometry — the geometry of the infinite perfect regular plane — that's odd. In the real world, non-Euclidean surfaces are everywhere. The surface of the Earth is non-Euclidean; parallel lines on the Earth's surface inevitably converge and cross. The surface of a bedsheet is even more complexly non-Euclidean, because it has bumps and crinkles.
The point here is that geometry doesn't have to be Euclidean. It can be something else.
This is the insight that Einstein brought to physics. He started with the assumption that the speed of light is the same to all observers, regardless of how they're moving — this was a consequence of Maxwell's theory of light — and began to investigate the way coordinate systems transform between differently moving observers.
What he found was that the way coordinates transform is complex, intricate, counter-intuitive … and entirely consistent and sensible. It's hard to visualize, because we imagine the universe as being Euclidean — straight lines and all that — but it makes sense, and what's more in the decades since it's been directly measured. We now know that the geometry of our universe is not Euclidean.
To get more specific, let's consider the very special case of two observers moving inertially with respect to each other. To move inertially just means to be unaccelerated; an accelerometer carried by an inertial observer will read zero.
If these two observers are moving differently, but they both observe the same ray of light to have the same speed, then their definitions of distance and duration must disagree. This was a very profound insight! Distance and duration are not universal, and depend on how you're moving. This is the source of interesting phenomena like length contraction, time dilation and the relativity of simultaneity.
Einstein then moved on to think about acceleration. He'd cracked the problem of relative inertial motion, but what about accelerated motion? Where he began was with what came to be called the equivalence principle. This principle states that the outcome of a purely local experiment is not dependent on the location of that experiment in spacetime.
In less abstract terms, imagine you're in a small room with no windows. Say you went to sleep the night before and woke up there, with no knowledge of how you arrived. The room is stocked with every piece of scientific equipment you can imagine, from a simple spring scale all the way up to (somehow) a huge particle accelerator.
What experiment can you perform in that room that will tell you whether you're imprisoned somewhere on the surface of the Earth, or out in deep space in a rocketship moving with a constant acceleration of 1 g?
The answer is none. No experiment can tell you which of those is true.
Suddenly, the acceleration pushing your feet to the floor vanishes. You're in free fall. You — and all the expensive equipment in the room — float freely, like an astronaut in orbit.
What experiment can you conduct now that will tell you whether the engines of the spaceship have been turned off, leaving you to coast through deep space far from gravity, or the cables suspending your cell at the top of a tall tower have been cut and you're now plummeting toward the ground?
Again, the answer is none. Do all the experiments you like, and you will never be able to tell whether you're floating or falling.
This is the heart of Einstein's theory of gravitation: Falling is inertial motion. Standing still on the Earth's surface is acceleration.
Gravity, then, is not a force at all. It's a consequence of inertial motion through curved spacetime. The presence of stress-energy — a composite quantity that includes mass, charge, momentum, pressure, sheer stress and so on — changes the fundamental underlying geometry of spacetime. Objects that move through that curved spacetime along entirely mundane, inertial trajectories will be observed, by observers who are at rest relative to the source of gravitation, to accelerate and curve toward the ground, but in fact this is an illusion. The falling object is moving at a constant speed and in a straight line. It's just that in that region of spacetime, where the stress-energy is, straight lines intersect. They intersect at the center of mass of the gravitating body.
As the aforementioned Wheeler so famously put it, matter tells space how to curve, and space tells matter how to move.
That's about as deep into gravitation as I can get without bringing in mathematics. And it's a lot of maths. But that's the essence of it. Everything in the universe that isn't actually accelerating — remembering that acceleration is a purely local phenomenon that can be measured with an accelerometer — moves in a straight line at a constant speed. But depending on where you are, a "straight line" can look like a curved line, and "constant speed" can look like acceleration.
Gravity, in other words, is just an optical illusion."

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