Greater Force= Greater Work; box up ramp

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The discussion revolves around the physics of work and force in the context of moving a crate up two different ramps, one steeper than the other. Participants explore the relationship between force, work, and friction when considering the movement of the crate onto a truck bed.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the implications of force and work in the absence of friction, questioning whether greater force necessarily leads to greater work. They also explore how friction affects the work required on different ramps and consider the angle of inclination that minimizes work.

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The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing insights and questioning assumptions about the relationship between force, work, and friction. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations regarding the effects of ramp steepness and friction on work done.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with concepts of gravitational potential energy and the role of friction in work calculations. There is a specific focus on the angle of inclination and its relationship to the coefficient of kinetic friction, with some confusion noted regarding the implications of steep versus shallow ramps.

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Hi, this question seems pretty easy, but I was just wondering if I'm missing anything with my solutions.
Two ramps, one steeper than the other, are available to move a heavy crate from the ground onto the bed of a truck. In the absence of friction, it takes more force to push the crate up the steeper ramp. Does this mean it also takes more work to raise the crate onto the bed of the truck along the steeper ramp?
Yes, W=FD, greater F, means great W
Taking friction into account, which ramp requires less work for pushing the crate on the truck?
The steeper ramp, as the frictional force will be less. F=cosO*N*u; greater angles means less frictional force
What is the angle of inclination that minimizes the work, and how is it related to the coefficient of kinetic friction? It seems like the angle that would minimize the work, would be the angle with the least frictional force, but the least frictional force would occur when theta is 90 degrees, or directly vertical, and that doesn't make sense. The coefficient of kinetic friction is not connected to the angle
 
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I think you got the last 2 correct, but the first one is wrong if there is no friction. Have you learned about how to calculate the change in gravitational potential energy PE yet?
 
As for your first question, ask yourself this:
Is there any difference between the potential energy increase of the crate in the steep case vs. the not-so steep case?

Arggh, Berkeman is even faster than Lucky Luke..
 
"greater angles means less frictional force"

this is utterly false.

"Less distance means less work due to frictional force" is the correct expression.
Do you see the difference?
 

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