Green Solution to a Political Problem?

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The discussion centers around the potential for Iran to transition from nuclear energy development to renewable energy sources, particularly solar and wind power, as a solution to political tensions regarding nuclear weapons. Participants explore the implications of U.S. energy policy under President Obama and its influence on Iran's energy choices.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that President Obama could leverage Iran's interest in energy development to promote solar and wind power as alternatives to nuclear energy.
  • Others argue that the Iranian leadership may not trust U.S. motives, viewing Obama as a "naive/daydreaming radical environmentalist" and questioning the feasibility of his proposals.
  • There are claims that Iran has the potential to become a leader in renewable energy due to its vast land resources, but skepticism exists regarding the political and cultural barriers to adopting such technologies.
  • Some participants express doubt about whether Obama can influence Iranian policy, emphasizing that Iran is an advanced culture already aware of renewable energy options.
  • Concerns are raised about the possibility of Iran pursuing nuclear weapons regardless of U.S. diplomatic efforts, highlighting the complexity of the situation.
  • Participants discuss the mixed messages in U.S. energy policy, particularly regarding coal and nuclear energy, and how this may affect Iran's perception of U.S. credibility on renewable energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the feasibility and desirability of transitioning Iran to renewable energy. There is no consensus on whether Obama's approach would be effective or credible in the eyes of Iranian leadership.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding the political dynamics between the U.S. and Iran, as well as the cultural context that may affect Iran's willingness to adopt U.S.-promoted energy solutions. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the effectiveness of diplomatic strategies in influencing energy policy.

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As Iran continues to develop nuclear power for peaceful purposes, many people have expressed concern that a nuclear weapons program might emerge.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/16811/

President Obama has acknowledged they have a legitimate right to pursue peaceful energy development.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/02/obama-iran-nuclear-energy_n_210332.html

"LONDON — President Barack Obama reiterated that Iran may have some right to nuclear energy _ provided it takes steps to prove its aspirations are peaceful.

In a BBC interview broadcast Tuesday, Obama also restated plans to pursue direct diplomacy with Tehran to encourage it to set aside any ambitions for nuclear weapons it might harbor.

Iran has insisted its nuclear program is aimed at generating electricity. But the U.S. and other Western governments accuse Tehran of seeking atomic weapons.

"Without going into specifics, what I do believe is that Iran has legitimate energy concerns, legitimate aspirations. On the other hand, the international community has a very real interest in preventing a nuclear arms race in the region," Obama said."


At the same time, President Obama is leading the US to a clean green alternative energy future with wind, solar, and geothermal funding, while steering the US away from coal, oil, and nuclear.
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE5115B520090202


Accordingly, this is a terrific opportunity for President Obama to solve both a major political problem and export his clean green technology - at the same time.

All the President needs to do is show the Iranian leadership the benefits of solar and wind power. They have vast expanses of unused land, ideal for wind and solar deployment. He can cite the same reasons wind and solar is the answer for US future prosperity. Also, the Iranian leadership would not face the environmental battles faced in the US.

Realistically, they could quickly become the world's solar and wind energy leader, perhaps export surplus power to Iraq and other neighboring states?

With a flourishing wind and solar industry, Iran will no longer need to engage in a nuclear program.
 
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1c/Shah-nukeIran.jpg/428px-Shah-nukeIran.jpg
 
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One little quibble:
WhoWee said:
At the same time, President Obama is leading the US to a clean green alternative energy future with wind, solar, and geothermal funding, while steering the US away from coal, oil, and nuclear.
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE5115B520090202
Though you are probably right, the link doesn't suggest Obama is "steering the US away from... nuclear power" and AFAIK, Obama hasn't clearly come out against it while President.

Anyway...
Accordingly, this is a terrific opportunity for President Obama to solve both a major political problem and export his clean green technology - at the same time.

All the President needs to do is show the Iranian leadership the benefits of solar and wind power. They have vast expanses of unused land, ideal for wind and solar deployment. He can cite the same reasons wind and solar is the answer for US future prosperity. Also, the Iranian leadership would not face the environmental battles faced in the US.
Does Iran have a large quantity of naive/daydreaming radical environmentalists? If not, that'll be a harder sell there than in the US. Given the choice of listening to France, which has no fossil fuel electricity and wants to sell Iran nuclear plants and the US, which has fossil fuel electricity, but says it can get off fossil fuel electricity with "green" energy, who should they believe? They can also look to Germany as another failed test-case on the issue.

I don't see why Iran would believe Obama is anything more than a typical naive/daydreaming radical environmentalist on this issue.

And that's even without getting into the political reasons why this wouldn't fly!
 
WhoWee said:
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At the same time, President Obama is leading the US to a clean green alternative energy future with wind, solar, and geothermal funding, while steering the US away from coal, oil, and nuclear.
Coal's in the Obama plan too, clean coal, at least in the talk. Recall in the campaign where Sen Obama pointedly corrected Sen Biden's dismissal of coal.
 
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WhoWee said:
Talk is cheap. If Obama REALLY believes what he's selling to us - he has the answer to stability in the Middle East in his hands.

They have plenty of potential.

Links for the world maps
http://www.solar4power.com/solar-power-global-maps.html

Middle East Specific Map
http://www.solar4power.com/map13-global-solar-power.html

He is the President of the US, not the President of Iran. Why do you assume that he can influence the Iranian leadership? Also, the Iranians are an advanced culture. What makes you think they are not aware of the potential for wind and solar power?

Your point seems to me that if he is serious about energy independence in the US, he will somehow magically force Iran to follow his plan.
 
russ_watters said:
Anyway... Does Iran have a large quantity of naive/daydreaming radical environmentalists? If not, that'll be a harder sell there than in the US. Given the choice of listening to France, which has no fossil fuel electricity and wants to sell Iran nuclear plants and the US, which has fossil fuel electricity, but says it can get off fossil fuel electricity with "green" energy, who should they believe? They can also look to Germany as another failed test-case on the issue.

I don't see why Iran would believe Obama is anything more than a typical naive/daydreaming radical environmentalist on this issue.

And that's even without getting into the political reasons why this wouldn't fly!

Yes, naive greenies like T. Boone Pickens. What are you saying; that wind and solar are not competitive where they are competitive? Also, the Germans are installing solar power by the acre. What failure are you talking about?
 
Ivan Seeking said:
He is the President of the US, not the President of Iran. Why do you assume that he can influence the Iranian leadership? Also, the Iranians are an advanced culture. What makes you think they are not aware of the potential for wind and solar power?

Your point seems to me that if he is serious about energy independence in the US, he will somehow magically force Iran to follow his plan.

Would you agree that Iran is a better candidate for solar and wind than the US?

Would you agree that Obama needs to deal with the possibility Iran will turn their focus to weapons?

Would you agree that Obama has already told the world the the US has made mistakes in the past and that he's in charge of change?

Would you agree that Obama is a good salesman, believes in solar and wind, and also believes he can do a better job (diplomatically) than Bush?

So why wouldn't he try to convince them to follow his lead?
 
mheslep said:
Coal's in the Obama plan too, at least in the talk. Recall in the campaign where Sen Obama pointedly corrected Sen Biden's dismissal of coal.

That must of been when he was campaigning in a coal state, I remember a speech in California where he said he was going to make coal so expensive it wouldn't be a viable alternative anymore.
 

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