Greenhouse effect (reflection vs transmission)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the greenhouse effect, specifically the interaction of different wavelengths of radiation with glass and the underlying quantum mechanics that govern these interactions. Participants explore how short wavelength radiation can pass through glass while longer wavelengths are reflected, and the implications of these processes in the context of energy transfer and absorption.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that short wavelength radiation can pass through glass, heating its contents, which then emit longer wavelength radiation that cannot pass through the glass and is reflected back.
  • Another participant agrees, explaining that the quantum mechanics of electron clouds in materials determine the interaction of photons with different energies and wavelengths.
  • A third participant shares a related but tangential insight from a lecture by Roger Penrose, discussing energy transfer and the nature of photons in relation to temperature imbalances, although it does not directly address the original question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the role of quantum mechanics in determining the interaction of light with materials, but the discussion includes a range of perspectives and does not resolve all aspects of the original question regarding wavelength and reflection versus transmission.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not fully explore the assumptions underlying the quantum interactions mentioned, nor does it clarify the specific conditions under which different wavelengths interact with glass.

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Hi,

In the study of the greenhouse effect, I know for a fact that short wavelength radiation pass through a glass container and heat up its contents. When its contents get hot, they will re-emit longer wavelength (and hence lower energies) radiation, which will then be unable to pass through the glass anymore,but is reflected back into the glass container, where it will stay.

How does the wavelength determine whether light is reflected from or transmitted through a glass block?

Does the answer have anything to do with the quantum energies of an atom?

Thanks
 
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Essentially, yes. It is the quantum mechanics of the electron clouds in the material which determines which photons are scattered and/or absorbed. Whether this is on the atomic, molecular, crystallographic or other level, depends on the radiation in question and the kind of material.

It comes down to knowing whether there is an interaction between photons of said energy (wavelength) and the electron cloud.
 
klng
Thought you might find the following of interest although not directly related to your question. This is from a lecture by Roger Penrose commemorating Stephen Hawking 60th birthday, Cambridge England, 2003, (The title does not sound like it relates to your post, yet he had an interesting paragraph that DOES!) "The problem of spacetime singularities:implications for quantum gravity"

.. we get energy in a low entropy form (from the sun) and this has to do with the fact that the sun is a bright spot in an otherwise dark sky. ..we can only take advantage of the temperature imbalance...and the visible light is in the form of relatively small numbers of photons, with small numbers of degrees of freedom, and the energy that feeds back into space is is infrared and each individual photon is much less energetic so there have to be many more photons to carry this same energy away:the energy is spread over many more degrees of freedom
 
Thanks a lot for the replies! :!)
 

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