Ground Reaction Force: What Causes It?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of ground reaction force, particularly what causes it and how it balances gravitational force. Participants explore various explanations suitable for teaching lower school science, touching on the nature of forces at play, including electromagnetic repulsion and the role of pressure.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Robin questions the nature of ground reaction force and its description as an "active" force, seeking a more convincing explanation.
  • A.T. suggests that ground reaction force is related to electromagnetic repulsion, which prevents objects from passing through solid surfaces.
  • Robin expresses curiosity about the atomic-level interactions, specifically whether the repulsion occurs between electrons of atoms in their foot and the floor.
  • A later reply clarifies that pressure does not "activate" the repulsive force but is simply a measure of force per area present when the force exists.
  • One participant proposes simplifying the explanation for children by stating that gravity tries to make objects fall and the ground obstructs this motion.
  • Another participant suggests demonstrating the concept using a soft object to illustrate how forces balance through deformation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to explaining ground reaction force, with no consensus on a single explanation or model. Some participants advocate for simplified explanations for educational purposes, while others delve into more complex atomic interactions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the precise mechanisms of ground reaction force, including the role of electromagnetic forces and pressure, as well as the appropriateness of different explanatory models for children.

Robin Andrews
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This may seem like a really basic question (I'm teaching lower school science, and it's not my specialism!), but:

What causes the force which balances gravity, which I think is called "ground reaction force?"

All the descriptions I've seen say that the ground "pushes" up on a stationary object, preventing it from falling through the ground. However, this description seems very "active." Are there some kind of elves heaving away underground to keep the Earth from caving in?

A fair amount of searching has not provided any more convincing description. Could someone here please try to enlighten me?

Many thanks in advance,

Robin.
 
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Robin Andrews said:
What causes the force which balances gravity, which I think is called "ground reaction force?"
It's the same electromagnetic repulsion, that prevents you from walking through a wall.

Robin Andrews said:
However, this description seems very "active."
The terms "action" & "reaction" in the context of contact forces are completely interchangeable.
 
Thanks A.T. I seem to remember something about electromagnetic repulsion at the atomic level in this connection. My understanding is very vague though - is it that the electrons of the atoms in my foot are repelled by the electrons of the atoms in the floor if I'm standing still? And is it the pressure from my feet that "activates" this repulsive(!) force?

It's quite surprising to me that the answer involves electromagnetism, and may well be to my students. I'm always on the lookout for simple ways to explain things to children which go a little beyond the "elves" model. Please don't be too horrified that I've been let loose on unsuspecting children with my rather dusty knowledge. They are young and I'm revising quickly!
 
Robin Andrews said:
My understanding is very vague though - is it that the electrons of the atoms in my foot are repelled by the electrons of the atoms in the floor if I'm standing still?
That's good enough if you don't want to get into quantum mechanics.

Robin Andrews said:
And is it the pressure from my feet that "activates" this repulsive(!) force?
No. Pressure is force per area. It doesn't "activate" the force, it's simply there when the force is there.
 
Since this is just for explaining to kids, why not just say that gravity tries to make objects fall and the ground gets in the way? The details of how the force gets applied aren't really relevant.
 
russ_watters said:
Since this is just for explaining to kids, why not just say that gravity tries to make objects fall and the ground gets in the way? The details of how the force gets applied aren't really relevant.
You could show them the effect of compressing a soft object** with a mass placed on it - compressed until the repulsive forces balance the weight force. Then progress to the fact that the ground deforms 'a little bit' until it supports your weight. (everything deforms by a finite amount under an impressed force).
** Sponge, rubber mat etc.
 

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