What is the force acting on a seesaw?

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The discussion revolves around determining the force acting on a seesaw, specifically focusing on calculating the net torque caused by gravity on an unbalanced rod positioned on a fulcrum. Participants explore various methods to analyze the problem, including mathematical formulations and physical modeling.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand the integral of torque and how to find the net torque caused by gravity on an unbalanced rod.
  • Another suggests finding the torque produced by gravity on a differential segment of the rod and integrating from end to end.
  • A different approach proposed involves modeling the rod as two short rods on either side of the pivot, calculating the torques from each segment to find the net torque.
  • One participant notes that gravity can be treated as acting at the rod's center of mass, simplifying the calculation of net torque.
  • Another participant suggests that if the density and shape of the rod are uniform, the center of gravity can be found at the midpoint, allowing for a straightforward application of torque calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on how to approach the problem, with no consensus on a single method for calculating the net torque caused by gravity.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the uniformity of the rod's density and shape are mentioned, but these are not universally accepted or confirmed by all participants.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in mechanics, particularly those exploring torque and rotational dynamics in physics.

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Here's a question that I've been trying to solve for a while but keep on running into dead ends, and I can't seem to find any info on the internet to help me. Anyways I was wondering what the integral of torque is? For my specific example I have a rod that is not equally balanced on a fulcrum (as shown on in the picture below)

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Now gravity would of course pull the rod down but my question is with what force?? I know that Tnet = Iα

But my problem here is finding α, since α=a/r could I substitute that in and say that Tnet = mr2 (a/r) = mar , and then just integrate as if I were finding the moment of inertia ( a∫r dm). I know this involves the density of the rod, but the example shown in the picture isn't all that important, I'm looking for an explanation on how to find the net torque caused by gravity. Thanks!
 
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Find the torque produced by gravity on a differential segment of the rod, then integrate from end to end.
 
Lots of ways to analyse this. One way is to model the rod as two short rods one either side of the pivot. Then model each rod as a mass acting at that rods centre of gravity. Sum the torques to give the net torque. Calculate the moment of inertia and hence the angular acceleration.
 
tummbacoco said:
I'm looking for an explanation on how to find the net torque caused by gravity.
Finding the net torque should be easy, since gravity can be treated as acting at the rod's center of mass. (You can also, as CWatters suggests, model it as two short rods. Same answer, of course.)
 
I guess the easiest way to find the torque is to first find the center of gravity, if the density and shape is uniform, than that's just the middle point. Then just apply torque T = F*r, whereby F the gravitational force on the rod (mass times g) and r the distance between the fulcrum and the center of gravity. Then you can compute alfa by T/I...
 

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