Grounding out static charge using a battery.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the issue of static charge buildup and discharge between two robots with differing static charges, particularly focusing on minimizing the impact of static shocks on the electronics of Robot A. Participants explore various methods to dissipate static charge without grounding the robots, considering both theoretical and practical approaches.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a capacitor to store charge but questions its effectiveness without grounding.
  • Another participant proposes applying an electrically conductive coating to the robots to protect against static discharge, along with using resistive fibers or antistatic materials.
  • Concerns are raised about the impedance mismatch between high static voltage and low current, questioning the practicality of harvesting energy into a battery or capacitor.
  • Some participants recommend making contact through a resistor to reduce discharge noise spikes, while others suggest insulating the point of contact.
  • A later reply emphasizes that both robots will be affected by static discharge and suggests connecting the chassis to the electronics ground with a resistor, or creating a conductive chassis if one does not exist.
  • One participant requests additional information, such as pictures of the robots, to provide more tailored suggestions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of ideas and suggestions, with no clear consensus on the best approach to mitigate static charge issues. Some agree on the use of resistors and conductive materials, while others question the feasibility of certain methods like using capacitors without grounding.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the robots' designs and the specific conditions under which static charge buildup occurs. The discussion does not resolve the effectiveness of proposed solutions or the necessity of grounding.

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Hello,
I am trying to solve an issue which occurs when two robots with different static charges make contact. It has been some time since my Physics classes and I have some ideas that are only partly making sense to me. I need to minimize the effect that a static shock is having on a small robot. What I am hearing is that Robot A has a lower static charge and Robot B has a greater charge. When they collide the resulting shock is causing havoc with the electronics of Robot A. I have been trying to find a way to dissipate the static without grounding the robot. I was considering the use of a capacitor to store the charge somehow but that seemed to require a ground. Recently I thought perhaps by connecting the positive terminal of the battery to the this would allow the excess electrons to flow to the battery as they move from negative to positive. I apologize for my ignorance on this topic but any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
 
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Welcome to PF.

The obvious thing to do is to give the robots, (or all the electronics), a electrically conductive coat that will prevent lightning strikes to electronic sensors or circuits. You might then hang a resistive fibre or link chain to the ground, or use antistatic rubber tracks or wheels.

The impedance mismatch is a problem. The static voltage is so high and the current is so low that there is little point in harvesting the energy into a low voltage battery or capacitor.

You have not explained how contact is being made. If it can be controlled, then simply making contact through a resistor of about 470k ohm should reduce the discharge noise spike.
 
EngulfingFlame said:
Hello,
I am trying to solve an issue which occurs when two robots with different static charges make contact. It has been some time since my Physics classes and I have some ideas that are only partly making sense to me. I need to minimize the effect that a static shock is having on a small robot. What I am hearing is that Robot A has a lower static charge and Robot B has a greater charge. When they collide the resulting shock is causing havoc with the electronics of Robot A. I have been trying to find a way to dissipate the static without grounding the robot. I was considering the use of a capacitor to store the charge somehow but that seemed to require a ground. Recently I thought perhaps by connecting the positive terminal of the battery to the this would allow the excess electrons to flow to the battery as they move from negative to positive. I apologize for my ignorance on this topic but any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
If you do not want them to have a ground connection somehow, then you might be able to make contact via a resistor, as suggested by Baluncore. Alternatively, insulate the point of contact. Ideas using capacitors and batteries are not going to work. Maybe the floor covering or the use of plastic wheels is the source of the static problem.
 
EngulfingFlame said:
... What I am hearing is that Robot A has a lower static charge and Robot B has a greater charge. When they collide the resulting shock is causing havoc with the electronics of Robot A.
Be careful, both robots will be affected.

I think you have to connect the chassis of the robot to the electronics ground with that resistor which was mentioned previously.
If you don't have chassis, then you should make one. Just the external surface should be made of some conductive material.
Also, make sure that it's the chassis is what makes contact with any other objects. The electronics should be entirely within the chassis.
 
EngulfingFlame said:
I am trying to solve an issue which occurs when two robots with different static charges make contact.
Can you post a pic of them? Respondants could then offer more specific suggestions.
 

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