Gulf spill, bioengineered life, and oil-eating bacteria

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The discussion revolves around the potential use of oil-eating bacteria to address the BP oil spill, exploring their effectiveness, environmental impacts, and comparisons to other methods of oil cleanup. Participants examine the implications of using both natural and genetically modified organisms in the context of ecological balance and the creation of hypoxic zones in the ocean.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about existing plans to utilize oil-eating bacteria for the BP oil spill, noting their historical promise as a cleanup method.
  • There is a suggestion that natural bacteria may be more effective than genetically modified organisms (GMOs) in oil degradation.
  • One participant raises concerns that the oxidation of hydrocarbons by bacteria would produce CO2, likening it to burning oil, while another counters that burning produces harmful byproducts like soot and nitrogen oxides.
  • Participants discuss the potential for oil-eating bacteria to create hypoxic regions in the ocean, with some expressing skepticism about the scale of oxygen depletion that could occur.
  • There is a debate about the relative impacts of oil spills compared to ongoing nutrient runoff from the Mississippi River, with calls for further research on this comparison.
  • A proposal is made for using oil-eating bacteria attached to a substrate that could absorb metabolic outputs and help collect oil more effectively, though concerns about oxygen consumption and CO2 production are reiterated.
  • Some participants mention the use of processed peat infused with bacteria as a potential solution, while questioning the effectiveness of such methods in light of dispersant use.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and environmental implications of using oil-eating bacteria, with no clear consensus reached on the best approach or the potential consequences of such methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the ecological impacts of using bacteria for oil cleanup, including the need to consider oxygen levels and the effects of existing nutrient runoff. There are unresolved questions regarding the scale of the oil spill compared to other environmental factors.

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Are there plans to treat the BP oil spill with oil-eating bacteria?

http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/04/can-microbes-save-the-gulf-beach.html
 
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I am interested to know about this as well. Oil eating bacteria (and other micro organisms) have been touted for decades as an amazing innovation. If there was ever a chance to prove their utility, the BP oil spill is one. I wonder why no one is talking about them?
 
It seems natural bacteria are more effective than GMOs.

http://www.smartertechnology.com/c/a/Global-Challenges/Can-Biotech-Help-Clean-the-BP-Oil-Spill/
 
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Wouldn't this be akin to setting the stuff on fire, anyway? The oil-eating bacteria would almost certainly oxidize the hydrocarbons into CO2, in which case you might as well, you know, burn it.
 
TubbaBlubba said:
Wouldn't this be akin to setting the stuff on fire, anyway? The oil-eating bacteria would almost certainly oxidize the hydrocarbons into CO2, in which case you might as well, you know, burn it.
Not all hydrocarbons are created equal. When burned, petroleum in particular produces large amounts of soot, aka black smoke, and anything burned at high temperature in the atmosphere produces nitrogen oxides. Bacteria does none of the above.

[PLAIN]http://www.treehugger.com/burning-oil-rig-explosion-fire-photo11.jpg
 
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Yes, but it is that CO2 and the oxidizing process that... wait for it... causes hypoxic regions in oceans. In fact, naturally occurring bacteria in the ocean may help the cleanup, while killing large regions much as they might render a human host dead. There needs to be a balanced approach, not just a cosmetic one.
 
nismaratwork said:
Yes, but it is that CO2 and the oxidizing process that... wait for it... causes hypoxic regions in oceans. In fact, naturally occurring bacteria in the ocean may help the cleanup, while killing large regions much as they might render a human host dead. There needs to be a balanced approach, not just a cosmetic one.
I take your point. Given the scale of O2 in the ocean, does it really stand to be depleted by bacteria at scale consuming the oil leaked (and not already captured or removed) over the surface of the Gulf of Mexico? Also I'm not sure if I'd call the products of the combustion of all that oil a cosmetic effect.
 
mheslep said:
I take your point. Given the scale of O2 in the ocean, does it really stand to be depleted by bacteria at scale consuming the oil leaked (and not already captured or removed) over the surface of the Gulf of Mexico? Also I'm not sure if I'd call the products of the combustion of all that oil a cosmetic effect.

Oh, no not the whole gulf, that seems kind of mad. Hypoxic regions where high concentrations of oil exist, sure. I was referring to the use of bacteria as cosmetic by the way, not burning. Burning has a place, but a limited one. Frankly, there is no substitute for oil-water separation and reclamation. The issue of hypoxia at depths of 3000 feet and more however, could be very real without the addition of any bacteria not already present. This isn't going to kill the world of course, but bacteria munching on O2 has an effect, and how much of a reduction in concentrations does it take to kill some species? I really don't know offhand, but maybe I should research that.

I think the concentrations near coastlines and at depths are a bigger issue than the total amount, given that those bacteria exist because plenty of oil already leaks naturally.
 
mheslep said:
I take your point. Given the scale of O2 in the ocean, does it really stand to be depleted by bacteria at scale consuming the oil leaked (and not already captured or removed) over the surface of the Gulf of Mexico? Also I'm not sure if I'd call the products of the combustion of all that oil a cosmetic effect.

I'm not an expert in the area, but it seems reasonable to worry about oil-eating bacteria creating hypoxic zones in the ocean. Nitrogen and phosphorus runoff from the Mississippi delta is enough to create a hypoxic zone at the Mississippi delta (http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/topics/deadzone/)
 
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Ygggdrasil said:
I'm not an expert in the area, but it seems reasonable to worry about oil-eating bacteria creating hypoxic zones in the ocean. Nitrogen and phosphorus runoff from the Mississippi delta is enough to create a hypoxic zone at the Mississippi delta (http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/topics/deadzone/)
No doubt, but I wonder if the size of this petroleum spill coming from one pipe compares in size with the forever ongoing effluent of the Mississippi river?
 
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mheslep said:
No doubt, but I wonder if the size of this petroleum spill coming from one pipe compares in size with the forever ongoing effluent of the Mississippi river?

I'll do some research on this tomorrow, but I need to sleep now. I think this is a very good question, and comparing the effects of nitrogen and phosphorus runoff with petroleum is going to be comparing strawberries and raspberries... both drupes, both similar, but different enough to require separate treatments in cooking.
 
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How about oil eating bacteria that are attached to a substrate that absorbs output of metabolic reactions? Substrate would also serve to "bind" oil into floating jelly that can be more easily collected.
 
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socean said:
How about oil eating bacteria that are attached to a substrate that absorbs output of metabolic reactions? Substrate would also serve to "bind" oil into floating jelly that can be more easily collected.

I think there is a product that was demonstrated; processed peat infused with bacteria. The peat absorbs the oil immediately, and the bacteria take their time and break it down, but again, you have O2 in, and CO2 out.. same problem. There are also questions about how well any of these will work given the massive use of dispersants.
 

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