[Heat and calorimeter] I can't get the correct answer

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The discussion revolves around calculating the heat capacity of a calorimeter using the heat transfer principles involving benzene and a platinum bullet. The original poster describes their attempts to solve the problem, noting discrepancies between their results and those provided in their textbook.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the heat capacity of the calorimeter and the temperature of a gas flame based on heat transfer equations. They express confusion over their results compared to the textbook.
  • Some participants question the algebraic steps taken by the original poster, particularly regarding the signs and values used in their calculations.
  • There is a discussion about the heat gained by the calorimeter and benzene being equal to the heat lost by the platinum bullet, prompting further exploration of the equations involved.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, providing feedback and questioning specific steps. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some guidance has been offered regarding the heat transfer principles involved.

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The original poster mentions potential language barriers and the use of translation tools, which may affect the clarity of their explanations. They also indicate that they have verified their calculations but still encounter discrepancies with the textbook answer.

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Homework Statement


Hey there guys, first of all English is not my main language so it will be a little hard for me to say things in english. I am dutch native speaker so I will translate most of the things in english using google translator. I hope you guys are okay with that.

Task :
One wants the heat capacity of a calorimeter. It does so by one in the empty calorimeter, which has a temperature of 19.3 °C, 50 grams of benzene with a temperature of 13, 5 °C is added. This drops the temperature of the calorimeter to 15, 9 °C.
a)Calculate the value of the heat capacity of this calormeter.
b)Directly after this (the temperature of the calorimeter is still 15.9 °C), a Platinum bullet is added, which has a mass of 15.0 gram, in the calorimeter. This platinum ball has been kept in a glass flame beforehand; the temperature of the calorimeter runs to 23.7 °C . determine the temperature of the gas flame.

Okay, I had no problem answering a.
Now I did the same thing in b, but my answer does not match the one from my book. I tried to look if I missed any ##-## or ##+## sign , but still no luck. I even checked whether I filled the wrong number or not, and to me it seems that everything is correct. The Answer should be 604 °C , but I keep getting below 604 °C. I just want to know if I am doing something wrong or maybe the book answer could be wrong.

Homework Equations


##Q = m.c. \bigtriangleup T##
##Q = C .ΔT##

The Attempt at a Solution


I've uploaded 2 pictures of the calculations I did.
According to my book the answer I got for a is correct.
 

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SuriAttacker said:

Homework Statement


Hey there guys, first of all English is not my main language so it will be a little hard for me to say things in english. I am dutch native speaker so I will translate most of the things in english using google translator. I hope you guys are okay with
Task :
One wants the heat capacity of a calorimeter. It does so by one in the empty calorimeter, which has a temperature of 19.3 °C, 50 grams of benzene with a temperature of 13, 5 °C is added. This drops the temperature of the calorimeter to 15, 9 °C.
a)Calculate the value of the heat capacity of this calormeter.
b)Directly after this (the temperature of the calorimeter is still 15.9 °C), a Platinum bullet is added, which has a mass of 15.0 gram, in the calorimeter. This platinum ball has been kept in a glass flame beforehand; the temperature of the calorimeter runs to 23.7 °C . determine the temperature of the gas flame.

Okay, I had no problem answering a.
Now I did the same thing in b, but my answer does not match the one from my book. I tried to look if I missed any ##-## or ##+## sign , but still no luck. I even checked whether I filled the wrong number or not, and to me it seems that everything is correct. The Answer should be 604 °C , but I keep getting below 604 °C. I just want to know if I am doing something wrong or maybe the book answer could be wrong.

Homework Equations


##Q = m.c. \bigtriangleup T##
##Q = C .ΔT##

The Attempt at a Solution


I've uploaded 2 pictures of the calculations I did.
According to my book the answer I got for a is correct.
I don't follow your algebra. Where did the 2 come from?
 
Chestermiller said:
I don't follow your algebra. Where did the 2 come from?
##15 × 0,13(Tend - Tbegin)##
Tend is given which = 23,7 °C
So it will be ##15 × 0,13(23,7 - Tbegin)##
##15 × 0,13 = 1,95##
##1,95(23,7 - Tbegin) = 46,22 - 1,95T##
 
(468+667)/(1.95 )+ 23.7= ??
 
Chestermiller said:
(468+667)/(1.95 )+ 23.7= ??
Well the answer = 605,7 , but I'm still confused why you did ##+ 23,7## and not ##+46,22##
 
I'm on my iPhone now, so it's hard to do equations. I'll get back with you later when I have my computer. But basically, the heat gained by the benzene and calorimeter is equal to the heat list by the bullet.
 
Heat removed from bullet = ##1.95(T-23.7)##. So, $$468+667=1.95(T-23.7)$$
 
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Ah that explains it, thank you sir for your help. :smile:
 

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