Heat Capacity Ratio of Water at 1000°C | 1273.15K

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The discussion revolves around determining the heat capacity ratio of water at 1000°C (1273.15K). Participants explore the availability of data and methods for calculating this ratio, particularly in the context of applications such as rocket engine design.

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  • One participant seeks the heat capacity ratio of water at high temperatures, noting difficulty in finding data beyond 375°C.
  • Another participant references the NASA polynomial databases as a source for heat capacities, providing a formula for calculating heat capacity using coefficients from the database.
  • There is a reiteration of the formula and coefficients for calculating heat capacity, emphasizing their relevance for high-temperature ranges.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the meaning of the different coefficients in the formula, indicating a need for clarification.
  • Another participant confirms understanding of the scientific notation used for the coefficients.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the coefficients, as one expresses confusion while another confirms understanding. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific application of the coefficients to calculate the heat capacity ratio.

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Participants reference specific coefficients and their scientific notation, but there is an indication of missing clarity on their individual roles in the calculation process.

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Hello,
I am trying to find the heat capacity ratio of water at 1000C or 1273.15K.
I have tried to find it through various website but have yet to find anything past 375C. I could find the gamma if I was given any of the two types of heat capacity ratios (volumetric or pressure) I could get it myself. I would like to find this out because it is useful for a rocket engine I am trying to design.
 
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The heat capacities are known from experiments and documented in the NASA polynomial databases, e.g. here:
http://www.me.berkeley.edu/gri-mech/data/nasa_plnm.html

There, you see that heat capacity can be calculated using
Cp/R = a1 + a2 T + a3 T^2 + a4 T^3 + a5 T^4
where the coefficients a are given in the thermodynamic database:
http://www.me.berkeley.edu/gri-mech/version30/files30/thermo30.dat

In the thermodynamic database mentioned there, the H2O entry is:
H2O L 8/89H 2O 1 G 200.000 3500.000 1000.000 1
3.03399249E+00 2.17691804E-03-1.64072518E-07-9.70419870E-11 1.68200992E-14 2
-3.00042971E+04 4.96677010E+00 4.19864056E+00-2.03643410E-03 6.52040211E-06 3
-5.48797062E-09 1.77197817E-12-3.02937267E+04-8.49032208E-01 4

the coefficients a1..a5 for the high temperature range 1000 K - 3500 K are given in line 2
 
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bigfooted said:
The heat capacities are known from experiments and documented in the NASA polynomial databases, e.g. here:
http://www.me.berkeley.edu/gri-mech/data/nasa_plnm.html

There, you see that heat capacity can be calculated using
Cp/R = a1 + a2 T + a3 T^2 + a4 T^3 + a5 T^4
where the coefficients a are given in the thermodynamic database:
http://www.me.berkeley.edu/gri-mech/version30/files30/thermo30.dat

In the thermodynamic database mentioned there, the H2O entry is:
H2O L 8/89H 2O 1 G 200.000 3500.000 1000.000 1
3.03399249E+00 2.17691804E-03-1.64072518E-07-9.70419870E-11 1.68200992E-14 2
-3.00042971E+04 4.96677010E+00 4.19864056E+00-2.03643410E-03 6.52040211E-06 3
-5.48797062E-09 1.77197817E-12-3.02937267E+04-8.49032208E-01 4

the coefficients a1..a5 for the high temperature range 1000 K - 3500 K are given in line 2

Thank you for the help bigfooted but I am sorry to say that I don't really understand the differences in the different a# coeffficients. I understand what to do with them but do not really know which a is which
 
dbmorpher said:
Thank you for the help bigfooted but I am sorry to say that I don't really understand the differences in the different a# coeffficients. I understand what to do with them but do not really know which a is which

a1=3.03399249E+00
a2=2.17691804E-03
a3=-1.64072518E-07
a4=9.70419870E-11
a5=1.68200992E-14

You are familiar with E format for representing powers of 10, correct?
 
Yes I am Chestermiller thank you for clarifying the constants for me.
 

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