Heat Transfer: Calculating Time to Heat 1000L of Water

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the time required to heat 1000L of water in a cubic bag using heat transfer principles. The scenario involves natural convection and a constant external temperature, with participants exploring relevant equations and concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance with heat transfer equations for heating water in a bag, noting their limited knowledge of conduction.
  • Another participant suggests considering Lumped Systems Analysis as a potential approach to the problem.
  • A further reply emphasizes the importance of energy balance in determining the time required for heating, indicating that understanding this balance is crucial for formulating the solution.
  • There is a question regarding whether the vertical and horizontal parts of the bag should be treated differently in the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the best approach to the problem, and multiple viewpoints regarding the application of Lumped Systems Analysis and energy balance remain present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the participant's lack of familiarity with Lumped Systems Analysis and the potential complexity of treating different orientations of the bag in the heat transfer calculations.

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Hi guys,

Hoping to see if I can get a bit of help with a heat transfer equation. Apologies if this is not in the correct forum as this is my first post.

I need to find out how long it will take a bag of 1000L of water (in a 1m3 cubic bag) to heat up to a specific temperature. The bag is placed in a metal frame.

The temperature outside the bag will stay at a constant temperature that is higher than in the bag. The reason that I'm having problems is that my heat transfer knowledge is limited to working out temperature differences for planar surfaces that only deal with conduction.

The water in the bag is not being agitated but will be moving due to natural convection.

Much appreciated if anyone can point me in the right direction i.e. as to what equations to use. Also is it true that I have to treat the vertical and horizantal parts of the bag differently?

Thanks,
 
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Have you studied Lumped Systems Analysis?
 
No I haven't. Would you say that is where the answer lies?
 
Well, whenever I'm trying to find how long it would take some to heat up or cool down, I always think of Lumped Systems Analysis, as there is a time rate term in the equations.

Essentially, the energy balance breaks down into {Change in Internal Energy During Time Interval dt} = {rate of heat flow to or from ambient during time interval dt}.

As long as you know how to properly formulate the energy balance, you should be able to solve for your time as required.
 

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