Heat Transfer - Conduction/Convection Question - Which area?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a heat transfer problem involving conduction and convection, specifically focusing on the appropriate dimensions and areas to consider in the calculations. Participants explore the conceptualization of the geometry involved in the problem, including the assumptions made regarding the surfaces and heat transfer areas.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) presents a calculation involving thermal resistance and heat transfer, questioning the validity of assuming a unit length into the page for the geometry.
  • The OP calculates the convective area based on the perimeter and dimensions provided, leading to a derived heat transfer coefficient that seems reasonable for a fluid like oil.
  • Some participants suggest that the heat transfer area should only include the larger faces of the element, implying that the perimeter heat transfer can be neglected.
  • There is a request for clarification on whether the heat transfer area should indeed only consider the two faces perpendicular to the direction of heat conduction, as opposed to the entire surface area of the box.
  • One participant confirms that the heat transfer area should only include the two relevant faces, reinforcing the OP's confusion about the geometry used in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate dimensions and areas to consider in the heat transfer calculations. There is no consensus on the correct approach, as some argue for including only specific faces while others seem to support the OP's original method.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights uncertainties regarding the assumptions made about the geometry and the implications of neglecting certain areas in the heat transfer calculations. The OP's approach and the responses indicate a need for clarity on the definitions and assumptions used in the problem.

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Homework Statement


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Its been assumed that the surfaces TL and TR of the same constant temperature.

Homework Equations


Tmax = TL/R + (qdoto*L2)/(8*k)

q = ΔT/R

Rconvection = 1/hA

The Attempt at a Solution


The problem I am having with this question is conceptualising which dimensions to use (I have no solutions to this question but I am trying to see what is realistic or not).

For part a, I have done the following:
Assuming - L = 0.01m, h = 0.25m and w (depth into page) = unit length of 1.

TL/R = Tsurface = 200°C - ((0.8*106)*(0.01)2)/(8*1) = 190°C

From a thermal network, I know that the temperature difference between the plate and the convective fluid is:
ΔT = Tsurface - Tfluid = 190°C - 90°C = 100°C

Here is my problem, assuming that my associations for the geometry are correct, the convective area (for the thermal resistance equation) should be:
A = p*L + 2*(h*w), where p = perimeter.
Hence, A = 2*(0.25 + 1)*0.01 +2*(0.025*1) = 0.525 m2

And the heat generated, q = V*qdoto = (0.01*0.25*1)*(0.8*106) = 2,000 W

Hence, from the thermal resistance equation qo = ΔT/R = ΔT/(1/hA) ⇒ h = qo / (ΔT*A). h = (2000)/(100*0.525) = 38.1 W/m2K

This seems reasonable for a fluid such as oil, but begs the question whether assuming a unit length into the page is the correct thing to do in this case (where only two dimensions are given)?

Any help would be appreciated!
 
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You were expected to neglect the heat transfer around the perimeter of the element, and include only the heat transfer on the larger faces. Certainly, your first relevant equation does this. Then the length in question would cancel.
 
Chestermiller said:
You were expected to neglect the heat transfer around the perimeter of the element, and include only the heat transfer on the larger faces. Certainly, your first relevant equation does this. Then the length in question would cancel.
Hi Chester, thanks for your reply.

Do you mean that the heat transfer area should only be the two faces that are perpendicular to the heat conduction in Figure a, i.e. what were used to derive the Tmax equation, and not the entire surface area of the box? I'm not sure I follow what you mean.
 
Sirsh said:
Hi Chester, thanks for your reply.

Do you mean that the heat transfer area should only be the two faces that are perpendicular to the heat conduction in Figure a, i.e. what were used to derive the Tmax equation, and not the entire surface area of the box? I'm not sure I follow what you mean.
Yes. That's exactly what I mean.
 

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