Heat transfer through an insulated steel wall due to hydrocarbon fire

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling the temperature rise on the "safe" side of a steel wall after exposure to a hydrocarbon pool fire. It encompasses aspects of heat transfer, specifically transient heat conduction, and considers the configuration of the wall, including its material properties and insulation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks suggestions for modeling temperature rise on the insulated side of a steel wall exposed to a hydrocarbon fire, providing details about the fire curve and material properties.
  • Another participant identifies the problem as a transient heat conduction issue and suggests that more details about the system geometry and materials would clarify whether a 1D or 2D model is appropriate.
  • A participant raises a question about the proximity of the fire to the steel wall, highlighting the importance of considering radiation heat transfer from hot gases to the wall.
  • The original poster specifies the wall configuration, noting a 5mm thick steel layer and 90mm of insulation, and expresses the assumption of uniform heat flux across the exposed area, leaning towards a 1D model.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the modeling approach, as there are differing views on the dimensionality of the model and the factors to consider, such as radiation heat transfer.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about uniform heat flux and the configuration of the wall, but lacks detailed mathematical formulations or specific boundary conditions that may influence the modeling approach.

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Afternoon all,

I am interested to hear any and all suggestions as to how one would go about modelling the rise in temperature on the "safe" side of a wall, after a given time period over which the other side was exposed to a hydrocarbon pool fire.

The configuration I have been looking at consists of a steel surface exposed to the fire, mounted on an insulating layer.

I have a definition for the hydrocarbon fire curve, giving flame temperature at any given time and all material properties for the wall sections.

It would be great to hear what people think, cheers!
 
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Hi u01sdr9. Welcome to Physics Forums.

This sounds like a straightforward transient heat conduction problem with time-dependent boundary conditions. More details about the system geometry and materials would be helpful to know whether it should include 2D, or whether a 1D model would be appropriate. Most likely, you would be pursuing a numerical solution.

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Is the fire lapping at the steel wall, or is it removed at a distance away. In either case the amount of radiation heat transfer from the hot gases to the steel wall would be something to consider.
 
The wall would consist of a 5mm thick steel layer exposed to the fire, backed by 90mm of insulation. I'm Assuming heat flux received by the wall would be uniform across the exposed area so I'm thinking a 1D model would suffice?

Apologies for my complete ignorance on this matter!
 
u01sdr9 said:
The wall would consist of a 5mm thick steel layer exposed to the fire, backed by 90mm of insulation. I'm Assuming heat flux received by the wall would be uniform across the exposed area so I'm thinking a 1D model would suffice?

Apologies for my complete ignorance on this matter!
Yes.
 

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