Heating a metallic rod from one end by continuous heat flux

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The discussion revolves around the heat transfer equation for a metallic rod subjected to continuous heating at one end. Participants explore the temperature profile before reaching a steady state, boundary conditions, initial conditions, and the implications of heat flux on the system. The conversation includes both theoretical and mathematical aspects of heat conduction.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the general solution of the heat transfer equation and the temperature profile before reaching steady state, given specific boundary conditions.
  • One participant suggests that the boundary conditions are u(0,t)=T1 and u(L,t)=T2, with T1>T2, and questions the maximum temperature at the left end if it is in contact with a hot reservoir.
  • Another participant proposes a method to express the temperature in the rod as a sum of a steady state solution and a transient component, v(x,t), and discusses the initial conditions for v.
  • Concerns are raised about the behavior of heat flux at the boundaries, particularly the implications of the left end reaching the reservoir temperature and the resulting temperature gradient.
  • Participants discuss the transient behavior of the rod, noting that the temperature decreases rapidly with distance from the heated end initially and that the boundary layer grows over time.
  • There is a technical discussion about the nature of the function v(x,0) and its implications for satisfying boundary conditions, with suggestions that v should be an odd function.
  • One participant presents a mathematical expression for the heat flux and discusses its behavior at different times and locations along the rod.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the boundary conditions, initial conditions, and the behavior of heat flux, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on several technical aspects.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations regarding the assumptions made about the heat flux and the behavior of the system at steady state. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on specific definitions.

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This discussion may be useful for those interested in heat transfer, thermal dynamics, and mathematical modeling of physical systems, particularly in the context of transient heat conduction in solid materials.

  • #61
1. Add a fictitious section of length Δ to the end of the existing rod, featuring the same thermal properties as the existing rod.

2. Hold the temperature at x = L' = L + Δ constant at u = 0 for all times.

3. At final steady state, the temperature profile in the combined rod will be ##u = \frac{P}{KA}(L+Δ-x)##. Choose Δ such that, at final steady state, u = T2 at x = L:

$$Δ=T_2\frac{KA}{P}$$

4. Solve the problem for the combined rod of length L' = L + Δ, but only consider the solution for the region between x = 0 and x = L.

Chet
 
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  • #62
Chestermiller said:
1. Add a fictitious section of length Δ to the end of the existing rod, featuring the same thermal properties as the existing rod.

2. Hold the temperature at x = L' = L + Δ constant at u = 0 for all times.

3. At final steady state, the temperature profile in the combined rod will be ##u = \frac{P}{KA}(L+Δ-x)##. Choose Δ such that, at final steady state, u = T2 at x = L:

$$Δ=T_2\frac{KA}{P}$$

4. Solve the problem for the combined rod of length L' = L + Δ, but only consider the solution for the region between x = 0 and x = L.

Chet
This seems to be a brilliant simplification. In fact I thought of it but I discarded it because I felt that the thermal proprietaries of the room air around my rod of length L, is different from the thermal properties of the rod material of that additional fictitious length Δ.
I will follow it once again and I will post the calculation.
 
  • #64
I didn't have it to go through all the details of your analysis, but it certainly looks like you had the right idea. One thing I would do is, instead of saying that the sum is over the odd values of n, replace n by (2n-1) and say that the sum is over all values of n.

Chet
 
  • #65
But this solution will not satisfy the mixed boundary condition that was proposed in an earlier post (#53). As the ratio between u(L,t) and ux(L,t) is not satisfied at all times but only at t is large enough.
 

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  • #66
Adel Makram said:
But this solution will not satisfy the mixed boundary condition that was proposed in an earlier post (#53). As the ratio between u(L,t) and ux(L,t) is not satisfied at all times but only at t is large enough.
So... Is that a problem? The two problem specifications are slightly different, and give two slightly different solutions. Who's to say that one is more realistic than the other. The new formulation assumes that you add a small additional piece of rod to the end of the existing rod. This small additional piece of rod has thermal inertia. The previous formulation essentially assumes the same thing, except that the thermal inertia of the small additional piece is negligible. So what?

Chet
 
  • #67
Chestermiller said:
So... Is that a problem? The two problem specifications are slightly different, and give two slightly different solutions. Who's to say that one is more realistic than the other. The new formulation assumes that you add a small additional piece of rod to the end of the existing rod. This small additional piece of rod has thermal inertia. The previous formulation essentially assumes the same thing, except that the thermal inertia of the small additional piece is negligible. So what?

Chet
So what is the model that best describe the reality? Which model the needle will follow in nature, the one with mixed BCs or the one with fictitious additional length with the same thermal properties?
 
  • #68
Adel Makram said:
So what is the model that best describe the reality? Which model the needle will follow in nature, the one with mixed BCs or the one with fictitious additional length with the same thermal properties?
It doesn't pay to compare them, because they both give just about the same results. It would be splitting hairs. The actual boundary condition at x = L depends on what you deliberately decide to impose there.

Chet
 
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So, Thank you for your help in solving this problem.
Adel
 

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