Heating water with a wind turbine

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of directly connecting a water heating element to a wind turbine that generates variable AC voltage, instead of using a battery bank and inverter system. Participants explore the implications of different heating element configurations and the potential for a switching mechanism to manage power output.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a series of 12V low wattage heating elements that could be connected incrementally based on the turbine's output voltage.
  • Another participant argues that a simpler solution would be to select a heating element with a power rating appropriate for the wind turbine's output, possibly resembling an electric kettle element.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumption that a high wattage heating element would stall the turbine, with a participant providing calculations to show that lower voltages would still produce lower wattages without stalling.
  • There is a suggestion that using multiple smaller heating elements with a switching system could work, but doubts are expressed regarding the efficiency and complexity of this approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to connect a heating element to the wind turbine. While some propose a complex switching system, others advocate for a more straightforward solution. There is no consensus on the optimal method or the implications of using high wattage elements.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the dependence on the specific characteristics of the wind turbine and heating elements, as well as the potential for misunderstanding regarding the turbine's performance under different loads.

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Hello,
I know there is a similar topic but it has been closed.
It is about a wind turbine that generates wild AC from 0 to 240V(open voltage) for a maximum of 1500W. Instead of using a charge controller, a battery bank and an inverter I would like to connect a water heating element directly to the wind turbine and collect the heat into a water tank. My understanding is that if I put a 240V/ high wattage element then the turbine will be stalled and I would collect nothing until strong winds kick in. If I choose a 12V/low wattage element it will burn in strong winds. So I would like to use 20 elements of 12V low wattage that will be gradually connected in series by a device. My question is: is there any device that could do that? Connect the first element for an output of 0-15V, then connect the second element if voltage is between 15-30V, and so on until in very strong winds it will connect the 20th element?
 
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It sounds unnecessarily complicated if all you want to do is collect some wind energy as electricity in order to heat water.
All you need is to figure out what sort of power rating is appropriate for the heating element, - probably something like an electric kettle element.
Then acquire a generator to match it, which would produce a maximum power output below that which could damage the heating element.
(You could go further and add additional safety features like a fuse or a circuit breaker or even a transistor based current limiter if overpowering is still thought to be possible)
If the wind is low it will simply produce less electricity and so therefore less heat, but there will still be some amount of heat, although there will be a limit below which the amount of heating is of no real use.
 
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RobertSll said:
My understanding is that if I put a 240V/ high wattage element then the turbine will be stalled and I would collect nothing until strong winds kick in.
This is probably incorrect. Your 1500W, 240V heating element has a resistance of 2402/1500=38.4 ohms. At lower voltages, it will simply produce lower wattages, e.g., 590W at 150V and 65W at 50V. However, if it's the turbine suppler telling you this, you might talk to another supplier.
 
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insightful said:
This is probably incorrect. Your 1500W, 240V heating element has a resistance of 2402/1500=38.4 ohms. At lower voltages, it will simply produce lower wattages, e.g., 590W at 150V and 65W at 50V. However, if it's the turbine suppler telling you this, you might talk to another supplier.
Well then it makes it all easy and I only have to buy 1 big element. It was just my assumption that the turbine will be stalled because I made some tests with my generator and small load made it easier for the generator to spin, and the more load I was adding the harder it was to spin it
 
You *could* use multiple smaller heating elements along with a fairly elaborate switching system to turn individual elements on and off depending on the present output of the generator.
However I very much doubt this would noticeably improve overall efficiency and you would also need to be supplying power to the switching gear and related circuitry.
(In addition there are more potential parts that can fail eventually if you go that route)
 
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Thank you guys for the answers.
 

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