Height of a projectile at two points?

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A projectile fired with velocity v can pass through two points at height h, and the distance between these points can be expressed as d = (v/g)(√v² - 4gh) when adjusted for maximum range. The equations of motion for the projectile are y = -gt²/2 + v sin(θ)t and x = v cos(θ)t, with maximum range achieved at an angle of θ = π/4. The discussion reveals confusion regarding the substitution of variables and the correct application of the equations to find the times at which the projectile reaches height h. Dimensional analysis is suggested to identify algebraic errors in the calculations. The conversation concludes with a clarification that the approach taken was incorrect, emphasizing the need for accurate algebraic manipulation.
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Homework Statement


A projectile is fired with a velocity v such that it passes through two points both at a distance h above the horizontal. Show that if the gun is adjusted for maximum range, the separation of the points is

d = (v/g)(√v2-4gh)

Homework Equations


y = -gt2/2 + vsinθt
x = vcosθt

for max range R = v2/g
θ = π/4

The Attempt at a Solution


substituting theta into the two equations gives me
h = -gt2/2 + vt/√2

d = (v/√2)t

I replaced y with h to find the two times at which the ball is at h (both going up and down), then I used those times I found in the d equation to find the distance at both points at both times, and then took the difference between "d1" and "d2" where d2 is the point after max height and d1 is the point before. Is this not the right method? I get that t = h and t = stuff from the h equation... and t = h is obviously not true. Is that the issue?
 
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Vitani11 said:
Is this not the right method?
Looks right.
Vitani11 said:
I get that t = h
Then you are making an algebraic error. You can use dimensional analysis to see where it goes wrong. If you cannot spot it, please post all your working.
 
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h = -gt2/2 + vt/√2 to begin. I pull a t out and it becomes h = t(-gt/2+v/√2) so h = t and -gt/2+v/√2 = h

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Vitani11 said:
h = t(-gt/2+v/√2) so h = t
By what logic?
 
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Vitani11 said:
h = -gt2/2 + vt/√2 to begin. I pull a t out and it becomes h = t(-gt/2+v/√2) so h = t and -gt/2+v/√2 = h

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That looks suspiciously like what you would do if you were trying to find the zeros of an equation. i.e. t(-gt/2+v/√2) = 0 so t = 0 or
(-gt/2+v/√2) =0. That isn't at all correct for h.
 
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Finished. Thank you.
 
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