Heine-Borel Theorem - Proof - Rudin Theorem 2.41

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The discussion centers around the proof of the Heine-Borel Theorem as presented in Walter Rudin's "Principles of Mathematical Analysis," specifically Theorem 2.41. Participants are examining the implications of the theorem regarding bounded and unbounded sets in the context of topology, with a focus on the concept of limit points in Euclidean space.

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  • Peter expresses confusion about Rudin's assertion that the set S of points x_n has no limit point in R^k and seeks a formal argument to support this claim.
  • Peter proposes that if a point x_n is a limit point of S, then every neighborhood of x_n must contain another point from S, but he believes that the neighborhood N_{1/2}(x_n) contains no points other than x_n.
  • Another participant challenges Peter's reasoning, questioning how he concludes that N_{1/2}(x_n) contains no other points and emphasizes that the condition |x_n| > n is crucial for the argument.
  • This participant argues that S has no limit point in R^k because the sequence (x_n) has no convergent subsequence, as any subsequence would also be unbounded.
  • Peter acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the nature of the points in S and reflects on the need for a clearer understanding of limit points and subsequences.
  • Another participant mentions the use of induction in extracting subsequences and suggests that Peter will gain a firmer grasp of the concept with more practice.

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There is no consensus on the clarity of the argument regarding limit points in S. While some participants provide reasoning that suggests S has no limit points, others challenge the initial claims and seek further clarification.

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Participants note that the proof involves assumptions about the nature of the sequence and its boundedness, which are critical to the discussion but not fully resolved in the exchanges.

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I am reading Walter Rudin's book, Principles of Mathematical Analysis.

Currently I am studying Chapter 2:"Basic Topology".

Although I can basically follow it, I am concerned that I do not fully understand the proof of Theorem 2.41 (Heine-Borel Theorem).

Rudin, Theorem 2.41 reads as follows:View attachment 3795
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In the above proof we read:

" ... It remains to be shown that (c) implies (a).

If $$E$$ is not bounded, then $$E$$ contains points $$x_n$$ with

$$| x_n | \gt n$$ $$ \ \ \ \ \ $$ $$(n = 1,2,3, ... )$$.

The set $$S$$ consisting of these points $$x_n$$ is infinite and clearly has no limit point in $$R^k$$, hence has none in $$E$$. ... ... "

I cannot see how Rudin concludes that the set $$S$$ "clearly" has no limit point in $$R^k$$ ... ...

Can someone explain exactly why this is the case ... what is the formal and rigorous argument?

PeterNOTE: I apologise to MHB members for the fact that a Mac Taskbar appears in the image above ... ... I have no idea how that happened!
 
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Peter said:
I am reading Walter Rudin's book, Principles of Mathematical Analysis.

Currently I am studying Chapter 2:"Basic Topology".

Although I can basically follow it, I am concerned that I do not fully understand the proof of Theorem 2.41 (Heine-Borel Theorem).

Rudin, Theorem 2.41 reads as follows:In the above proof we read:

" ... It remains to be shown that (c) implies (a).

If $$E$$ is not bounded, then $$E$$ contains points $$x_n$$ with

$$| x_n | \gt n$$ $$ \ \ \ \ \ $$ $$(n = 1,2,3, ... )$$.

The set $$S$$ consisting of these points $$x_n$$ is infinite and clearly has no limit point in $$R^k$$, hence has none in $$E$$. ... ... "

I cannot see how Rudin concludes that the set $$S$$ "clearly" has no limit point in $$R^k$$ ... ...
Can someone explain exactly why this is the case ... what is the formal and rigorous argument?

PeterNOTE: I apologise to MHB members for the fact that a Mac Taskbar appears in the image above ... ... I have no idea how that happened!
I have just reflected on the question in my above post ... I suspect that the answer is obvious ... my thoughts follow ... ...
We have $$S = \{ x_n \}$$ ...

Now, if some $$x_n$$ is a limit point of $$S$$, then every neighbourhood of $$x_n$$ must contain a point $$y \ne x_n$$ such that $$y \in S$$.

But the neighbourhood $$N_{1/2}(x_n)$$ consisting of points $$y \in S$$ such that $$d(x_n, y) \lt 1/2$$ contains no points except $$x_n$$ ... ...

So ... ... no $$x_n \in S$$ is a limit point of $$S$$ in $$R^k$$ ...
Can someone critique my analysis above and either confirm that the analysis is correct and/or point out any errors or shortcomings ...

Peter
 
You haven't proven that $S$ contains no limit point in $\Bbb R^k$. Even so, how do you know that $N_{1/2}(x_n)$ contains no point other than $x_n$? In your argument, you never used the fact that $|x_n| > n$ for all $n \in \Bbb Z^+$.

Now, if $S := \{x_n : n\in \Bbb Z^+\}$, then $S$ contains no limit point in $\Bbb R^k$ because $(x_n)$ has no convergent subsequence. Indeed, if $S$ had a limit point, then that point would be a limit of a subsequence $(x_{n_k})$ of $x_n$, which implies $(x_{n_k})$ is convergent. However, since $|x_n| > n$ for all $n$, for every subsequence $(x_{m_j})$ of $(x_n)$, $|x_{n_j}| > n_j \ge j$ for all $j$. This implies that every subsequence of $(x_{n_j})$ is unbounded, and consequently $x_n$ has no convergent subsequence. Therefore, $S$ has no limit point in $\Bbb R^k$.
 
Euge said:
You haven't proven that $S$ contains no limit point in $\Bbb R^k$. Even so, how do you know that $N_{1/2}(x_n)$ contains no point other than $x_n$? In your argument, you never used the fact that $|x_n| > n$ for all $n \in \Bbb Z^+$.

Now, if $S := \{x_n : n\in \Bbb Z^+\}$, then $S$ contains no limit point in $\Bbb R^k$ because $(x_n)$ has no convergent subsequence. Indeed, if $S$ had a limit point, then that point would be a limit of a subsequence $(x_{n_k})$ of $x_n$, which implies $(x_{n_k})$ is convergent. However, since $|x_n| > n$ for all $n$, for every subsequence $(x_{m_j})$ of $(x_n)$, $|x_{n_j}| > n_j \ge j$ for all $j$. This implies that every subsequence of $(x_{n_j})$ is unbounded, and consequently $x_n$ has no convergent subsequence. Therefore, $S$ has no limit point in $\Bbb R^k$.
Thanks for your help, Euge.

By way of explanation (for some inexplicable reason! (Doh) ), I read Rudin's proof as saying that $$|x_n| = 1$$ and from there convinced myself that this meant that for each n, the open ball $$N_{1/2}(x_n)$$ would contain only $$x_n$$ ... ... and thus $$\{ x_n \}$$ would contain no limit points ... ... silly!

I am currently searching analysis texts to find theorems involving limit points and subsequences ... looks like you are saying there is a theorem that says that if a sequence has a limit point then it must be the limit of a subsequence of the sequence ...

Well, definitely sounds true, intuitively anyway ... just cannot find such a result in Rudin, Apostol or Pugh ...

But anyway, can follow your logic ...

Thanks again for your help,

PeterNOTE: I think Rudin must have had in mind a different/alternative argument from one involving subsequences since this proof is in Ch. 2: Basic Topology ... while the text deals with sequences and subsequences in Ch. 3: Numerical Sequences and Series ...
 
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The "theorem" that you think I'm using is based off of the method of induction. Using the definition of a limit point of a sequence, you (inductively) extract a subsequence. Sequence extraction is something you have done several times when dealing with Noetherian rings and modules. With more practice, you will get a firmer grasp of the concept.
 
Euge said:
The "theorem" that you think I'm using is based off of the method of induction. Using the definition of a limit point of a sequence, you (inductively) extract a subsequence. Sequence extraction is something you have done several times when dealing with Noetherian rings and modules. With more practice, you will get a firmer grasp of the concept.
Thanks Euge ... always appreciate your guidance and help ...

Peter
 

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