Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle Question

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, specifically involving the behavior of dust particles in a vacuum chamber as they pass through a small hole onto a detection plate. The context is set within a second-year Modern Physics course for engineering students.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the uncertainty in position and momentum, referencing the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. There is discussion about determining the velocity of the particles and how quantum effects influence their landing area. Some participants suggest considering the problem in terms of particle diffraction and de Broglie wavelength.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts to clarify the problem and explore different approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of quantum mechanics to the scenario, and there is acknowledgment of differing interpretations of the problem's requirements.

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Participants note that the problem is designed to illustrate the transition from classical to quantum behavior, and there is mention of the assumptions made regarding the negligible quantum effects for the given mass and velocity of the particles.

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a 1.0 micrometer diameter dust particles (mass 1.0x10^-15kg) in a vacuum chamber pass through a hole (diameter assumed to be exactly that of particle) onto a detection plate 1.0m below. By how much does the diameter of the circle increase

Homework Equations



This is clearly a Heisenberg uncertainty question and so,

h/2 = \Deltax\Deltap

or plank's constant over 2 is equal to the uncertainty on x multiplied by the mementum

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to rearange the uncertainty principle to include the equations of a one dimensional box velocity

v=h/2mL

with the assumtion that the cylinder can be considered a box. However this lead to the uncertainty on x being the separation and that doesn't make any logical sense.

I would appreciate any help on this. Also to give context to the level of depth in theory I have this is a second year Modern Physics course for engineering students.
 
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Perhaps you could give us the exact wording of the question. How fast is the particle moving?

AM
 
Ya that's the problem I'm having... I can't figure out the velocity of the particle. but here's the exact wording of the problem...

fig 40.48 shows 1.0micrometer diameter dust particles (m = 1.0x10^-15kg) in a vacuum chamber. The particles are released from rest above a 1.0 micrometer diameter hole (there's just enough room for the particles to pass through), and land on a detector at distance d below.

a) If the particles were purely classical they would all land in the same 1.0 micrometer diameter circle but quantum effects don't allow this. if d = 1.0 m by how much does the diameter of the circle in which most particles land exceed 1.0 micrometers.
 
CJSGrailKnigh said:
Ya that's the problem I'm having... I can't figure out the velocity of the particle. but here's the exact wording of the problem...

fig 40.48 shows 1.0micrometer diameter dust particles (m = 1.0x10^-15kg) in a vacuum chamber. The particles are released from rest above a 1.0 micrometer diameter hole (there's just enough room for the particles to pass through), and land on a detector at distance d below.

a) If the particles were purely classical they would all land in the same 1.0 micrometer diameter circle but quantum effects don't allow this. if d = 1.0 m by how much does the diameter of the circle in which most particles land exceed 1.0 micrometers.
OK. That makes sense now.

Given the mass and velocity of the particle, there would not be much of a quantum effect, unless I am missing something.

I think this can be approached as a particle diffraction problem where the uncertainty as to position is the de Broglie wavelength:

\lambda = h/p

where p is the momentum of the dust particle at the detector. So the diameter of the landing area on the detector is the diameter of the particle \pm \lambda

AM
 
Hmmmm... that was probably the right way of doing it. A classmate of mine (who is nothing short of brilliant) subbed values obtained using Newtonian results and got what seemed to be a reasonable answer so I used his idea and did the calculations that way. Also the question was made to show how quickly the quantum effects are considered to be negligable (I left that part out). Thanks for the help.
 
i also agree with Andrew Mason.
he is a good champ.
 

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