Help evaluating Definite Integral

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a definite integral of the form (t^i)(t^5-t^4) dt from -1 to 1, where 'i' represents an index number of a matrix. Participants are exploring the integration process and addressing errors in the original poster's approach.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to expand the integrand and evaluate the integral using standard integration techniques. Some participants question the correctness of the expansion and the handling of limits during evaluation.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the original poster's approach, pointing out errors in sign and exponent handling. There is a recognition of the complexity of the problem, given its context in a fourth-year optimization course, and some guidance has been provided regarding the evaluation process.

Contextual Notes

The problem arises from a context of approximating a function using a polynomial, which adds a layer of complexity to the integral evaluation. The original poster acknowledges a typo in their work and reflects on their errors in the integration process.

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Homework Statement



Hi guys, need help evaluating this integral.

Integrate from -1 to 1

(t^i)(t^5-t^4) dt

Where i just an arbitrary variable, (it's actually an index number of a matrix)

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The Attempt at a Solution



So I thought I would begin by expanding the bracket to get

(t^(5+i))+(t^(4+i)) dt

then just evaluating it like you do

((t^(6+i))/(6+i))+((t^(5+i))/(5+i)) from -1 to 1

then just plugging the -1 and 1 into the t's, to get

((-2)^(6+i)/(6+i))+(2^(5+i)/(5+i))
 
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Hmm, somehow the minus sign in the original problem turned into a plus when you expanded the expression.

I'm not sure how you got the -2 and 2 on the last part. Maybe you are adding the exponent bases together, but that doesn't work. 5^x + 5^x does not equal 10^x.

Integration using x^n = (n+1)x^(n+1) only works if n is not -1, otherwise the integral of (x^n)dx with n=-1 becomes ln(x). However, if this is the first semester of single variable calculus, then I suppose they want you to assume that the power is not -1 and just integrate with x^n = (n+1)x^(n+1).
 
your attempt at the solution seems right to me.. as long as the variable i does not depend on t..
There are two errors (i) you have changed the minus sign from the original Integral to a + sign when you are actually evaluating it.
and when you plug the limits -1 and 1, you should get, ((-1)^(6+i))/(6+i)-(1/(6+i))-((-1)^(5+i))/(5+i)+(1/(5+i)).
you have plug the upper limit and the lower limit into each of the individual terms in the sum.

Hope this helps =)
 
Nope, this is a fourth year optimization course. This question came out of approximating a function using a polynomial which lead to all this matrix index integral evaluation.

Always seem to get tricked up with the simple calculus ><

Yes, you guys are right, I don't know why I typed + instead of minus, I have here on my working minus, typo...

I also realized where I gone wrong, yea I added the exponent bases together which I shouldn't have done, if I take all those errors I made. I should get the answer that mathgeek4 posted.

Thanks for all your help!
 

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