Help finding the differential equations from an L + R in parallel with C

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The discussion revolves around deriving differential equations for a circuit consisting of a constant voltage source in series with an inductor, which is then connected to a resistor and capacitor in parallel. Participants explore the behavior of the circuit, particularly focusing on the current through the inductor.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the equations governing the circuit, including relationships between the currents and voltages across the components.
  • Another participant suggests that if a constant DC voltage source is used, the problem simplifies significantly, noting that an inductor behaves as a short circuit and a capacitor as an open circuit in steady state.
  • There is a proposal to use Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) to analyze the node between the inductor and the parallel RC combination, indicating a potential method for deriving the necessary equations.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the initial equations presented and encourages a re-evaluation using KCL.
  • Discussion includes the possibility of the circuit being analyzed under a constant amplitude AC voltage source, which would require different differential equations.
  • Another participant notes the importance of considering the transient response following the closure of the switch, suggesting that the initial conditions may lead to a more complex analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the simplifications that can be made depending on whether the voltage source is DC or AC. There is no consensus on the best approach to derive the differential equations, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully agreed on the assumptions regarding the type of voltage source or the conditions of the circuit (steady state vs. transient response), which may affect the formulation of the differential equations.

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Hi there guys.

Homework Statement



I am trying to solve a circuit that has a constant voltage source (V) in series with an inductor (L), then that inductor is connected to a resistor (R) in parallel with a capacitor (C).

Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution



I am trying to solve that for the current iL.

I came up with this equations:

iL = iC + iR;

V = vL + vC;

L diL/dt + 1/C ∫ iC dt = V

1/C ∫ iC dt = R iR

I want to solve those equations in order to get the current in the branch where the inductor is, so iL.

I've tried many combinations and I don't get any coherent result.

I tried to solve that, through iL = iC + iR and what I got was the differential equation in terms of vC, and I want it in terms of iL!

Regards and thanks in advance.
 
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AMSA said:
Hi there guys.

Homework Statement



I am trying to solve a circuit that has a constant voltage source (V) in series with an inductor (L), then that inductor is connected to a resistor (R) in parallel with a capacitor (C).

Homework Equations



-------



The Attempt at a Solution



I am trying to solve that for the current iL.

I came up with this equations:

iL = iC + iR;

V = vL + vC;

L diL/dt + 1/C ∫ iC dt = V

1/C ∫ iC dt = R iR

I want to solve those equations in order to get the current in the branch where the inductor is, so iL.

I've tried many combinations and I don't get any coherent result.

I tried to solve that, through iL = iC + iR and what I got was the differential equation in terms of vC, and I want it in terms of iL!

Regards and thanks in advance.

A couple of points:

You seem to be talking about using a constant DC voltage source, in which case the problem simplifies considerably. An inductor is a DC short, and a capacitor is a DC open, so you are just left with V=IR as a solution.

If instead you mean a constant amplitude AC voltage source with amplitude V, then you can write the differential equations and solve them.

But what you have written for equations doesn't make sense to me. You should write a KCL equation for the node between the inductor and the parallel RC combination.

Can you re-try using the KCL approach?
 
Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

I'll try to draw the circuit here:

|--- \------L------------A
|........|
|........|
|...... ---------
VDC.....|...|
|......C...R
|.......|...|
|.......---------
|........|
|........|
|-------------------------

The KCL to the node A is: (http://www.physics.uoguelph.ca/tutorials/ohm/Q.ohm.KCL.html)

iL = iC + iR

Before the switch is off. Then at t=0 we close the switch.

Now I want to write down the equations that describes the behavior of the circuit. I came up wit those in the preview post.

vL + vC = V

L diL/dt + 1/C ∫ iC dt = V

vC = vR

1/C ∫ iC dt = R iR

I want to solve that in order to get the diferential equation for d^2 iL /dt + diL/ dt ...
 
AMSA said:
Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

I'll try to draw the circuit here:
If you wish to try ASCII graphics, enclose your whole composition between [code] and [/code] instructions and that will force the use of a monospaced font for that block.

But I think you have succeeded in getting the idea across on this occasion. :smile:
 
berkeman said:
A couple of points:

You seem to be talking about using a constant DC voltage source, in which case the problem simplifies considerably. An inductor is a DC short, and a capacitor is a DC open, so you are just left with V=IR as a solution.
In the steady state, yes. But poster might be seeking the transient response to switch closure.
 

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