Help me with this equation from Invariance of interval

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The discussion revolves around understanding the metric tensor M in the context of the invariance of the interval in general relativity, as presented in Bernard Schutz's textbook. Participants seek clarification on the meaning and properties of the metric, particularly its symmetry and its role in mapping coordinate changes to physical distances and times.

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  • One participant inquires about the meaning of M in the equation related to the invariance of the interval, expressing their beginner status in the subject.
  • Another participant explains that M represents the metric tensor, which is often denoted as g in other texts, and describes its function in mapping coordinate changes to physical quantities.
  • A participant raises a question about the assumption that Mab equals Mba, seeking clarification on the implications of this symmetry and its relation to the dot-product of vectors.
  • A further response elaborates on the metric's application in calculating the dot-product of vectors and notes that the symmetry of the metric tensor is a consequence of the commutative property of the dot-product.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the metric tensor and its properties. While some explanations are provided, there is no consensus on the specific assumptions or implications of the metric's symmetry, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved in certain aspects.

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Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the symmetry of the metric tensor, and there may be missing assumptions regarding the context in which these properties are discussed.

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Here is an equation from proof of invariance of interval:
This equation is from bernard schutz's first course in GR:

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I could not understand what M stands for.

Can someone help me with this?

I don't have advanced knowledge. I am a beginner UG.
 

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M is the metric, in most other books it is labeled g. It is essentially the object which maps changes in the coordinates (Δx) to distances and times (Δs).

For example, if you have a spherical coordinate system in flat spacetime then your coordinates would be [itex]x=(t,r,\theta,\phi)[/itex], but if θ changes by 1, how much does s change? That is what M contains.
 
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To Piggy Back onto this question, I am confused as to the Note regarding this metric. Why exactly may we assume that the element Mab=Mba? I do not understand what they mean by the fact that Mab+Mba only appears when b doest not equal a.

Thank You,

-PD
 
PSMD said:
To Piggy Back onto this question, I am confused as to the Note regarding this metric. Why exactly may we assume that the element Mab=Mba? I do not understand what they mean by the fact that Mab+Mba only appears when b does not equal a.

The equation you've quoted above is only one particular application of the metric. More generally, the metric is used to calculate the dot-product of two vectors [itex]X[/itex] and [itex]Y[/itex] with components [itex]X^{i}[/itex] and [itex]Y^{i}[/itex]: [itex]X\cdot{Y} = g_{ab}X^{a}Y^{b}[/itex]
(Here I've written the metric as a lower-case g instead of an upper-case M because that's more common, and I've used the Einstein summation convention in which we sum across pairs of repeated indices - you'll see this a lot in GR)

You'll notice that if you compute the dot-product of a vector with itself, you'll get exactly the equation you quoted (with the [itex]\Delta{\chi}^{a}[/itex] being the components of the vector and the dot-product being the square of the length of the vector, that is, the interval between the two ends of the vector).

Because the dot-product is commutative [itex]X\cdot{Y}=Y\cdot{X}[/itex], it follows that [itex]g_{ab}=g_{ba}[/itex]. When a tensor has this property, we say that it is symmetric, and because the metric tensor is defined to produce the dot-product of vectors, it has to be symmetric.
 
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