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Help on pulley problem!

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  1. Jan 25, 2017 #1
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    hey guys, i have a question about a tricky physics 1 problem our teacher gave us today, paraphrased as follows:

    there is a mass M1 on a flat, frictionless horizontal table connected to a pulley, and on the other side of the pulley is another mass M2 the pulls downward (off the table). the system is frictionless. the tension of the string is T and the mass of the table mass is M1, so what is M2 in terms of M1 and T?

    we have a test soon and i would really appreciate help :/
     
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  3. Jan 25, 2017 #2
    You can use Newton's Laws to find an Solution.Draw a free body diagram for each object then equal them to the net force.I can try to help you If u give me something.You should try to do it yourself a bit at least
     
  4. Jan 25, 2017 #3
    i don't understand how to list these out with so few information. there's nothing given for acceleration, movement, or relationships between anything...?
     
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  5. Jan 25, 2017 #4
    If you think theres no friction and both ##M_1## and ##M_2## are not moving..thats impossible I think.Does ##M_1## makes a circular motion ?
     
  6. Jan 25, 2017 #5
    yes i made a mistake, we don't know which way it moves
     
  7. Jan 25, 2017 #6
    Whats this means ?
     
  8. Jan 25, 2017 #7
    Ok I think ##M_1## makes a circular motion.If theres no friction this is the seems only possible way.Now What forces acting on ##M_1## and whats the total force on acting on ##M_1## ?
     
  9. Jan 25, 2017 #8
    no, it doesn't make a circular motion. we just don't know the acceleration of the system. everything is linear! (these problems should be solvable without a calculator)
    the tension force is acting on M1 and pulling it toward the edge of the table, along with the gravitational weight force and normal force from the table. the net force for M1 is the tension force.
     
  10. Jan 25, 2017 #9
    Ok,I understand,Now the idea is the Net force acting on the object should be equal the total force.and

    ##\vec F_{total}=m\vec a## can you find an equation for M1 using this ?
     
  11. Jan 25, 2017 #10
    fnet = ma, so m = fnet/a? i don't know if this will help or not because it doesn't provide acceleration :/
     
  12. Jan 25, 2017 #11
    As you said there's Tension acting on the Object, thats the net force , and this net force should be equal to Total force so...?
     
  13. Jan 25, 2017 #12

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    Deleted post .
     
  14. Jan 25, 2017 #13
    so the only force is the tension...but how does that link to the mass of m2 hanging off the table? m2's only force is the tension force holding it up..
     
  15. Jan 25, 2017 #14
    If M2 is pulling downward off the table, don't you already know its acceleration?
     
  16. Jan 25, 2017 #15
    oh gosh!!! since there's no friction and it pulls downward, it's just 9.81. fnet = t, so using fnet = ma, m2 = t/9.8???
     
  17. Jan 25, 2017 #16

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    Sorry but that is not correct .

    Draw a diagram and show what forces are acting on m1 and m2 .
     
  18. Jan 25, 2017 #17
    this is the FBD i've been using--
     

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  19. Jan 25, 2017 #18
    I am trying to that...M1 has T (thats the net force) and thats equal to M1a (total force) so,T=M1a.

    You have to do this M2

    Theres two forces acting on M2
     
  20. Jan 25, 2017 #19

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    Your diagram does not really show the forces acting .
    help-jpg.112117.jpg
     
  21. Jan 25, 2017 #20
    so, for tension and weight..?
     
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