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The discussion revolves around two calculus problems involving differentiation and integration. The first problem requires finding the derivative of a piecewise function that includes absolute values, while the second problem involves performing integration on two distinct expressions, one of which includes logarithmic functions.

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  • Participants explore the differentiation of a function defined by absolute values, questioning how to handle the piecewise nature of the function. There are discussions about determining the sign of the function within specified intervals.
  • For the integration problems, participants suggest substitution methods and discuss the implications of logarithmic transformations. There is also a focus on ensuring the correct application of integration techniques.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the differentiation and integration problems, suggesting specific methods and transformations. There are ongoing clarifications regarding the correctness of the steps taken and the need for absolute value considerations in the differentiation problem.

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Participants note the importance of identifying where the function changes sign for the differentiation problem and express uncertainty about the placement of absolute value signs. There are also references to specific intervals that need to be considered for the piecewise function.

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I'm having trouble on these two problems. Can anyone give me a step by step explanation on how to do them (or one of them)?

7. Find f'(x), if
f(x) = \left|\frac {x^2\left((3x + 2)^{\frac {1}{3}}\right)}{(2x - 3)^3}\right|

13. Perform the integration:
(a) \int(x-1)e^{-x^2+2x}dx
(b) \int\frac{1}{x}e^{-2\log_3(x)}dx
 
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myanmar said:
I'm having trouble on these two problems. Can anyone give me a step by step explanation on how to do them (or one of them)?

7. Find f'(x), if
f(x) = \left|\frac {x^2\left((3x + 2)^{\frac {1}{3}}\right)}{(2x - 3)^3}\right|
This has nothing to do with a logarithm! Do it as two separate problems:
f(x)= x^2(3x+2)^{1/3}(2x-3)^{-3} if x\ge 0
f(x)= -x^2(3x+2)^{1/3}(2x-3)^{-3} if x< 0
Use the chain rule and product rule

13. Perform the integration:
(a) \int(x-1)e^{-x^2+2x}dx
The derivative of -x2+ 2x is -2x+2= -2(x-1). Use the substitution u= x2-2x.

(b) \int\frac{1}{x}e^{-2\log_3(x)}dx
Finally a problem involving a lograrithm!

-2 log3(x)= log3(x3)= -2ln(x)/ln(3) so
e^{-2 log_3(x)}= 3^ln(x). Let u= ln(x).
 
HallsofIvy said:
This has nothing to do with a logarithm! Do it as two separate problems:
f(x)= x^2(3x+2)^{1/3}(2x-3)^{-3} if x\ge 0
f(x)= -x^2(3x+2)^{1/3}(2x-3)^{-3} if x< 0

? If g(x)=x^2*(3x+2)^(1/3)*(2x-3)^(-3), (so f(x)=|g(x)|), you need to find the regions where g(x) is positive or negative. Not where x is positive or negative. Find the x values where g(x) is 0 or undefined. Those are the endpoints of the intervals where g(x) has uniform sign.
 
Thanks for the help so far,

trying 13 i get
a. u=-x^2 + 2x
du = -2(x-1)dx
int((x-1)/(-2(x-1)) e^u) su
int( -1/2 e^u du) = -1/2 e^u u' + c = (x-1)(e^(-x^2+2x)) + c

b.
so, I have int(1/x e^(-2lnx/ln3)) dx
u=lnx
du = 1/x dx
int (e^(-2u/ln3)) du = -2/ln3 e^(-2u/ln3) + c = -2/ln3 e^(-2lnx/ln3) + c = -2/ln3 e^(-2 log_3 x) + c

is this correct?
i'm not quite sure where i'd put the absolute value signs, but i know i need them.
 
myanmar said:
Thanks for the help so far,

trying 13 i get
a. u=-x^2 + 2x
du = -2(x-1)dx
int((x-1)/(-2(x-1)) e^u) su
int( -1/2 e^u du) = -1/2 e^u u' + c = (x-1)(e^(-x^2+2x)) + c /QUOTE]

The last line is wrong. Remember that \int e^x dx=e^x +c
 
Based on Halls of Ivy / Dick 's help, I get this for 1
\frac{-(x)(12x^2-26x-27)}{(2x-3)^{-4}(3x+2)^{-2/3}} if {x} &gt; \frac{3}{2}or {x} \leq \frac{-2}{3}
\frac{-(x)(12x^2-26x-27)}{(2x-3)^{-4}(3x+2)^{-2/3}} if \frac{3}{2} &lt; {x} &lt; \frac{-2}{3}

is this right?
 
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myanmar said:
Based on Halls of Ivy / Dick 's help, I get this for 1
\frac{-(x)(12x^2-26x-27)}{(2x-3)^{-4}(3x+2)^{-2/3}} if {x} &gt; \frac{3}{2}or {x} \leq \frac{-2}{3}
\frac{-(x)(12x^2-26x-27)}{(2x-3)^{-4}(3x+2)^{-2/3}} if \frac{3}{2} &lt; {x} &lt; \frac{-2}{3}

is this right?

No... There should be a sign difference between the two expressions on different intervals. And that derivative doesn't look right. The powers of the factors in the denominator should be positive. And I don't get the same quadratic you have in the numerator.
 
Oh, sorry.
I meant

\frac{-(x)(12x^2-26x-27)}{(2x-3)^{4}(3x+2)^{2/3}} if {x} &gt; \frac{3}{2}or {x} \leq \frac{-2}{3}
\frac{(x)(12x^2-26x-27)}{(2x-3)^{4}(3x+2)^{2/3}} if \frac{3}{2} &lt; {x} &lt; \frac{-2}{3}
 
That's better. But I still don't get the same coefficients you do on the quadratic part.
 

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