Help with measure air flow rate with pressure difference in a cylinder

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around measuring the air flow rate in a pneumatic cylinder with a horizontally moving piston. Participants explore methods for measuring the flow rate based on pressure differences and the applicability of Bernoulli's equation in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a pressure sensor attached to the cylinder to measure pressure differences and calculate air flow rate using Bernoulli's equation.
  • Another participant requests additional information about the cylinder's diameter, stroke, rate of movement, and the size of the orifice to provide a more tailored response.
  • It is noted that the measurement method may depend on the purpose of measuring the airflow and the specific instant during the piston’s retraction stroke when the measurement is needed.
  • A later reply indicates that the flow is likely compressible, which raises doubts about the usefulness of Bernoulli's equation in this scenario.
  • Participants mention the potential for using a pressure independent mass flow meter as a suitable option for measuring airflow.
  • Links to resources for gas mass flow meters are provided for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of Bernoulli's equation for this situation, with some suggesting it may not be suitable due to the compressible nature of the flow. There is no consensus on the best approach to measure the airflow rate.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the need for specific parameters (e.g., cylinder dimensions, orifice size) to accurately determine the airflow measurement method. The compressibility of the flow introduces additional complexity that remains unresolved.

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Hi,

I've got a horizontally moving piston in a pneumatic cylinder, the piston is moving backward to suck the air into the cylinder from a hole at one end, this will lead to an air flow rate. I would like to measure the air flow rate at that instant. I was thinking of with a pressure sensor attach to the cylinder, i can measure the pressure difference. By using Bernoulli's equation, i can calculate the air flow rate. Is this approach correct? and what pressure sensor would be suitable?

If you need me to explain more on the details, I would be more than happy to help you.

Thx guys.
 
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Welcome to the PF.
I think more information would help find you an answer.

It would be good to know the cylinder diameter, stroke and rate of movement?
Some idea of the orifice = hole size, would also be useful?

How you measure the airflow will depend on why you need to know it?
At what instant(s) during the retraction stroke do you need to measure the air flow?

Given that information it should be possible to get a quick answer. As the air on each side of the orifice will have a different pressure, the volume flowing will depend on the pressure where you measure it. This suggests a pressure independent mass flow meter might be appropriate.

Some light reading; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_measurement
 
Given the information though it should be possible to get an answer analytically rather than by testing. You would just need to know the things Baluncore asked for. The flow in this case is almost certainly compressible, though, so it is unlikely Bernoulli's equation will be of any use.
 
You can find some good gas mass flow meters here.

http://www.omega.com/subsection/mass-flow-meters.html

e.g.

FMA1600_l.jpg
 

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