Help with Norms: x, y, and Dot Product

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In summary, since the dot product formula involves cosine, we can conclude that |x \cdot y| will be between 0 and the product of the magnitudes of x and y. When cosine is positive, the dot product will also be positive, and when cosine is negative, the dot product will be negative. Therefore, the possible values of |x \cdot y| are between 0 and the product of the magnitudes of x and y.
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If [tex]\lVert x \rVert=2[/tex] and [tex]\lVert y \rVert=3[/tex], what if anything, can we conclude about the possible values of [tex]\left\vert \mathbf{x}^T\mathbf{y} \right\vert[/tex]?

I don't think anything can be concluded since the dot product can still end being positive or negative.
 
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Do you know the formula for the dot product involving cosine?
 
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Dustinsfl said:
If [tex]\lVert x \rVert=2[/tex] and [tex]\lVert y \rVert=3[/tex], what if anything, can we conclude about the possible values of [tex]\left\vert \mathbf{x}^T\mathbf{y} \right\vert[/tex]?

I don't think anything can be concluded since the dot product can still end being positive or negative.
x [itex]\cdot[/itex] y = ||x|| ||y|| cos([itex]\theta[/itex]).

Can you conclude something about |x [itex]\cdot[/itex] y| now?
 
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[tex]u \cdot v=\lVert v \rVert\lVert u \rVert cos(\theta)[/tex]
 
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It is between 0 and 1, then?
 
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Theta is between -pi/2 and pi/2?
 
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Plug in all the values you know. Then consider the range of cosine. What values can it take? Knowing this, what values can ||x|| ||y|| cos theta take?
 
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For cosine to be positive, theta is between, and including, -pi/2 to pi/2. Therefore, the right side of equation will be between 0 to 1 times the magnitude of x times the magnitude of y?
 
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Yes, it is simpler to just write it out, however.

xy = ||x|| ||y|| cos a = 6 cos a.
cos a is between -1 and 1, so xy is in [-6, 6], and so |xy| is just the positive terms in that interval.
 

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