Help with project design, thermal properties

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and thermal properties of a pizza oven constructed from steel, specifically a hemisphere design fed by pellets. Participants explore the feasibility of achieving and maintaining high temperatures (900°F) using this material and configuration, while considering the thermal properties of steel compared to traditional brick ovens.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses skepticism about achieving the necessary heat with a steel oven, citing advice from wood oven forums.
  • Another participant argues that reaching the required temperature is possible if sufficient fuel is available, questioning the concerns about material properties.
  • A participant references specific models (Uuni and Roccbox) that utilize metal and discusses the thermal conductivity of different materials, suggesting that while steel may heat up quickly, it may not retain heat as effectively as brick.
  • There is a suggestion to calculate heat loss through the steel dome to understand the fuel requirements better, with a comparison to heat transfer principles from textbooks.
  • One participant warns that the dome will be dangerously hot and estimates that a significantly higher fuel mass flow rate may be needed to maintain the desired temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the steel oven can achieve and maintain the desired temperature. There are competing views on the effectiveness of steel versus brick and the implications for fuel requirements.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for experimentation and calculations related to heat loss, indicating that assumptions about material properties and design may impact the outcomes. Specific thermal properties and their implications for oven performance are discussed but not resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in pizza oven design, thermal properties of materials, and those exploring alternative cooking methods using metal ovens may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm trying to make a pizza oven, but rather than brick or refractory, steel. I want to use a hemisphere and have it fed by pellets. I've been told by people on wood oven forums that I won't get the heat needed.

I'm wanting 900 F at the hearth of the oven, using pellets for heat (roughly 8000 BTU/lb)

What I can't find anywhere online is scientific proof that it will or won't work. I'm looking to make a dome of 30" or maybe 36" inside diameters. There will be one chimney for air flow.
 
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You won't get proof.
I don't see any reason you cannot get the required temperature ... it's a matter of getting enough fuel to burn.
It may be that they don't think your materials will give you enough refactory cooking. You have looked up the basics right?
http://site.outdora.com/blog/basic-anatomy-pizza-oven-3982.html
 
I'm basing my plan off of the Uuni and the Roccbox, both metal ovens. Uuni is a double walled stainless, Roccbox has some form of insulation between two metal layers. carbon steel has a thermal conductivity (k) of 54 at 25 celsius. Dense brick is 1.6, Stainless is 16. Basing it off this, I imagine that the steel would heald up rather quickly but not retain it as well as brick. However, if I have a gravity fed pellet hopper, it just feeds itself.

What I can't figure out is if it'll get that hot and what kind of volume of pellet burning if needed to maintain 900 (or if it'll pass 900 and get too hot)
 
You'll have to experiment.
 
mendozer said:
What I can't figure out is if it'll get that hot and what kind of volume of pellet burning if needed to maintain 900 (or if it'll pass 900 and get too hot)
You can calculate the heat (in watts) lost through the steel dome when the inner surface is at 900. Many heat transfer textbooks will have a worked example where heat loss through a single pane window is compared with a double glazed window. The difference is dramatic and is analogous to your single walled design compared to the double walled commercial units you've mentioned. I'd guess you'd need at least triple the fuel mass flow rate to maintain the same temp. And the dome Will be dangerously hot.
 
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