Help with Sketching curves/Simultaneous equation

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In summary, the conversation is about a problem involving finding the coordinates of points of intersection for two given curves. The person had already attempted the problem but was not able to get all three solutions. They then compared their solution to the one given in the textbook and were confused about a specific step. Through further discussion, it was determined that the missing solution was due to dividing by (x-1) without considering the value of x. The method shown in the solutions book was confirmed to be correct.
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Hi, I'm stuck on what should be an easy problem and I'm not sure where I'm going wrong. I already know the answer (I'm self studying), it's the method for the solution I don't understand. Here's the problem:

a) on the same axes sketch the curves given by $$y= (x-1)^3$$ and
$$y= (x-1)(1+x)$$

b) find the coordinates of the points of intersection

So, I did part a, and I thought i did part b, but I only got 1 of 3 possible solutions.

Anyway, here was my attempt at a solution:
$$ (x-1)^3 = (x-1)(1+x)$$
$$(x-1)^2 = (1+x)$$
Then multiply out the brackets: $$x^2 - 2x + 1 = 1+x$$
Simplify: $$x^2 - 3x = 0$$
Factorise: $$x(x-3) = 0$$

From this I can get 2 values for x (0 and 3) and plug them into the original equations. I know these two are correct, but I'm missing one and I'm pretty sure my method is wrong.

I had a look at the solution (the textbook I have comes with online worked solutions) but I've been staring at it and don't understand it. the solution they give is:

$$(x-1)^3 = (x-1)(x+1)$$
$$(x-1)^3 - (x-1)(x+1) = 0$$

This is the part I don't understand at all:

$$(x-1)[x^2-2x+1-(x+1)] = 0$$

Then $$(x-1)(x^2-3x)=0$$
$$(x-1)(x-3)x = 0$$
$$x = 0, 1, 3$$

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated, thank you.
 
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Yeah, you've done good, but you just missed one of the points. You had this equation:
[tex](x-1)^3 = (x-1)(1+x)[/tex]
And then after this, you divided by (x-1) on both sides. This is the correct method to get two of the points. But before you do the division, you must identify the other point. Another way to think of it is - can you always divide by (x-1) ? What are you assuming here?
 
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BruceW said:
Yeah, you've done good, but you just missed one of the points. You had this equation:
[tex](x-1)^3 = (x-1)(1+x)[/tex]
And then after this, you divided by (x-1) on both sides. This is the correct method to get two of the points. But before you do the division, you must identify the other point. Another way to think of it is - can you always divide by (x-1) ? What are you assuming here?

EDIT - just realized all the working in my reply was wrong. Maybe I'm just having a bad day but I'm not able to get this at all... What am I assuming?!
 
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your reply? did you delete your reply? I don't see it...

Anyway, so to divide by (x-1), what value of x will give you problems?
 
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BruceW said:
your reply? did you delete your reply? I don't see it...

Anyway, so to divide by (x-1), what value of x will give you problems?

Yeah I deleted it, I didn't want you to waste your time replying to something I knew was incorrect.

I think I understand now, x cannot be 1 can it? If it is then you're dividing by 0 which means the answer will be undefined, but if x can't be 1 then how does it end up being one of the coordinates? Looking at the equation, I can see that subbing in 1 for x does work, I'm just not sure how I would come to that conclusion methodically. Does the method that I showed in my original post, the one given in the solutions book, make sense to you?
 
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yeah, exactly. You can't divide by (x-1) when x has the value one. And yes, subbing in for x=1 does work, so x=1 must be a solution. You can think of it like this: OK, you've found that x=1 is one solution. So then to find other solutions, it is OK to divide by (x-1) because for other solutions, x must be different from one.

And the solutions book method is correct. It is pretty much the same as your method, they just did it slightly differently. The way they did it, they rearranged things so that they ended up with the three factors. So then at the end they have the nice equation:
[tex](x-1)(x-3)x = 0[/tex]
Where the three solutions are all in one line. But your method was also correct. It is just that when you got to the step where you divided by (x-1), you should have written "and here, you can see x=1 is one solution" or something like that, and then continued to find the other two solutions.
 

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