Help with Thermodynamics and Gas Law

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The problem involves a steam engine's boiler converting water to steam and calculating the change in internal energy of the system. The context is thermodynamics, specifically focusing on heat transfer and work done during the phase change of water to steam.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of heat using specific heat and heat of vaporization, as well as the work done by the expanding steam. Some express confusion regarding the pressure value provided in the problem statement, questioning its validity and implications for using steam tables.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the unusual pressure value and its potential impact on the calculations. Some have raised concerns about the clarity of the problem statement and whether the original poster's approach is appropriate given the context.

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There are concerns about the pressure value of 3.28 Pa, which some participants suggest may be erroneous or misleading. This has led to questions about the use of steam tables and the assumptions made in the calculations.

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THE PROBLEM:
A steam engine's boiler completely converts 2638 g of water at 83.7 °C to steam at 195.4 °C. The steam, at a constant pressure of 3.28 Pa, expands by pushing a piston of radius 9.4 cm a distance of 8.3 cm. What is the change in internal energy of the water-steam system? MY WORK:
First I know Change In Internal Energy = Heat - Work
So I found heat using MC Delta T and Heat of Vaporization. I got 6665124.107 J.
Then I found work.
Change in Volume = Area * Distance
So in this case it's Pi R2 D or (.094m2)(pi)(.083m) which is .002304m3
Then Work = Change in Volume * Pressure
3.8 pascals* .002304m3 = .008755 J
Change in internal energy = 6665124.107 J - .008755 J = 6665124.098J

BUT THAT'S WRONG AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM DOING
 
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Something seems very unusual about this problem statement. Is this the exact wording. That 3.28 Pa is very suspect.

Are you supposed to be using the steam tables for this?
 
Chestermiller said:
Something seems very unusual about this problem statement. Is this the exact wording. That 3.28 Pa is very suspect.

Are you supposed to be using the steam tables for this?

yes this is the exact wording and I believe so
 
Sorry. I'm not able to make sense out of the problem statement. Maybe someone else can figure it out.
 
sonpat said:
THE PROBLEM:
A steam engine's boiler completely converts 2638 g of water at 83.7 °C to steam at 195.4 °C. The steam, at a constant pressure of 3.28 Pa, expands by pushing a piston of radius 9.4 cm a distance of 8.3 cm. What is the change in internal energy of the water-steam system? MY WORK:
First I know Change In Internal Energy = Heat - Work
So I found heat using MC Delta T and Heat of Vaporization. I got 6665124.107 J.
Then I found work.
Change in Volume = Area * Distance
So in this case it's Pi R2 D or (.094m2)(pi)(.083m) which is .002304m3
Then Work = Change in Volume * Pressure
3.8 pascals* .002304m3 = .008755 J
Change in internal energy = 6665124.107 J - .008755 J = 6665124.098J

BUT THAT'S WRONG AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM DOING
A pressure of 3.28 Pa absolute is a pretty strong vacuum, and even a gauge pressure of 3.28 Pa is essentially atmospheric. From a practical standpoint, this figure is in error.
A pressure of 1 Pa is created by a dollar bill resting on a flat surface. Atmospheric pressure is 101,325 Pa.

When you say you found the heat added to the water by using MC delta T and Heat of Vaporization, how did you calculate the heat added to the steam after it has supposedly been turned to vapor? This is where steam tables come in handy, but only if you know the pressure.
 
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