Help with time-space diagram equations.

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equation for Bob's time axis in a spacetime diagram from Alice's perspective, specifically when Bob is moving at a speed of 0.4c. Participants explore the relationships between their respective coordinates using Lorentz transformations and the concept of velocity in spacetime diagrams.

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  • Post 1 presents a scenario and asks for the correct equation for Bob's tB axis in terms of Alice's coordinates, providing multiple options for consideration.
  • Post 2 suggests that since speed is defined as distance divided by time, the equation can be rearranged to derive option 2.
  • Post 3 introduces the Lorentz transformation and defines variables for Alice's and Bob's coordinates, concluding that the equation simplifies to option 2.
  • Post 4 elaborates on the interpretation of Bob's world line in Alice's coordinates, stating that the relationship between distance and time leads to the conclusion that xA = 0.4c tA.

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Participants generally agree on the use of the Lorentz transformation and the relationship between distance and time in spacetime diagrams. However, there is no consensus on which specific equation is correct, as multiple interpretations and options are presented.

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Some assumptions about the definitions of velocity and the application of Lorentz transformations may not be fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve which equation is definitively correct.

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Consider a situation where we want to combine spacetime diagrams of Alice and Bob, where Bob is moving at a speed of 0.4c to the right (positive x direction). If we draw Alice’s xA axis as horizontal and tA axis as vertical, answer the following questions.

What is the equation, written in terms of xA and tA, that describes Bob’s tB axis (the world line where xB = 0) on Alice’s diagram?

My options are the following:

1. tA = γ xA/(0.4c), where γ is the Lorentz factor
2. tA = xA/(0.4c)
3. tA = (0.4c)(xA)
4. tA = γ (0.4c)(xA), where γ is the Lorentz factor

Can someone explain, step by step, how to derive the correct equation?


p.s. this is not homework, it`s just something for fun I found online that I want to understand...
 
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Step 1: Since speed is distance divided by time, 0.4c = xA/tA.

Step 2: Rearrange by multiplying both sides of the equation by tA and dividing by 0.4c to get answer 2.
 
let ##t_a, x_a## be Alice's coordinates
let ##t_b, x_b## be Bob's coordinates
let ## \beta = v/c \quad \gamma = 1 / \sqrt{1-\beta^2}##

then write down the Lorentz tranform:

##x_b = 0 = \gamma \left( x_a - \beta t_a \right) ##

From which you conclude the equation is ##x_a = \beta t_a ##
which is option 2
 
The ##t_B## axis is the image of Bob's world line (the set of all events in spacetime that he will pass through) in Alice's coordinates. So for all points ##(t_A,x_A)## on that line, ##x_A## and ##t_A## are (according to Alice) respectively the distance he has traveled since the (0,0) event, and the time that has passed since the (0,0) event. So his velocity is ##v=x_A/t_A##.

This means that for any point ##(t_A,x_A)## on that line, we have ##x_A=0.4c t_A##.

Hm, maybe I should have looked more closely at the previous answers before I wrote this. I thought that no one had pointed out that velocity=distance/time, but it's right there in ghwellsjr's post.
 

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