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The discussion revolves around a question regarding the magnetic field produced by a magnetic dipole and its dependence on distance. Participants are exploring the relationship between the distance from the dipole and the magnetic field's behavior, specifically considering various proportionalities.

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  • Participants discuss starting points for the problem, including consulting notes or deriving from first principles. There are considerations about the geometry of the dipole and how forces may vary with distance. Some participants question the relevance of specific laws, such as the Biot-Savart law, in this context.

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The conversation is active, with participants offering hints and exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the approach to understanding the magnetic field, though there is no explicit consensus on the correct method or interpretation yet.

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There is uncertainty regarding the assumptions about the distance in relation to the dipole's axis and the applicability of certain laws due to the lack of an electric current in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement
If R is the distance from a magnetic dipole, then the magnetic field it produces is proportional to:
A. R^2
B. R
C. 1/R
D. 1/R^2
E. 1/R^3

Ans: E
Relevant Equations
B * ds = u * I
I have no idea how to start this question. Can anyone give me some hints, please? Thanks.
 
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hidemi said:
Homework Statement:: If R is the distance from a magnetic dipole, then the magnetic field it produces is proportional to:
A. R^2
B. R
C. 1/R
D. 1/R^2
E. 1/R^3

Ans: E
Relevant Equations:: B * ds = u * I

I have no idea how to start this question. Can anyone give me some hints, please? Thanks.
I would assume it means the distance perpendicular to the dipole's axis.
Two options..
1. Consult your notes or search the net for the formula
2. Work it out from first principles. Draw a diagram. You have the short axis of the dipole, length h say, and some point P distance R off to the side, forming a long thin triangle. If a test pole is placed at P it will be attracted by one end of the dipole and repulsed by the other. How do these forces depend on R? What, approximately, will the net field be?
 
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By following your instruction, here's what I got as attached. Let me know if I did it wrong, thank you.
 

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hidemi said:
By following your instruction, here's what I got as attached. Let me know if I did it wrong, thank you.
Well done.
 
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hidemi said:
By following your instruction, here's what I got as attached. Let me know if I did it wrong, thank you.
You used the Biot-Savart law, but the problem doesn't give you an electric corrent. I think neither Ampere's law nor Biot-Savart law can work in this case as you don't have a current I in the problem statement
 
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Anti Hydrogen said:
You used the Biot-Savart law, but the problem doesn't give you an electric corrent. I think neither Ampere's law nor Biot-Savart law can work in this case as you don't have an current I in the problem statement
The spatial dependence of the dipole field does not depend on whether the dipole is generated by a current ##I## or through other means. In fact the spatial dependence of an electric dipole is the same as that of a magnetic dipole.
 
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haruspex said:
I would assume it means the distance perpendicular to the dipole's axis.
Does it matter? The magnetic dipolar field due to dipole ##\vec m## is $$\vec B=\frac{\mu_0}{4\pi}\left[\frac{3(\vec m\cdot\hat r)\hat r-\vec m}{r^3}\right].$$
 
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kuruman said:
Does it matter? The magnetic dipolar field due to dipole ##\vec m## is $$\vec B=\frac{\mu_0}{4\pi}\left[\frac{3(\vec m\cdot\hat r)\hat r-\vec m}{r^3}\right].$$
what does m represent? the magnetic moment?
 
Anti Hydrogen said:
what does m represent? the magnetic moment?
Yes.
 
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