Hershel experiment regarding IR radiation

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The discussion revolves around the Herschel experiment, which demonstrated the existence of infrared radiation by showing that red light produced a higher temperature reading than violet light when passed through a prism. Participants explore the reasons behind the temperature differences related to light intensity and energy levels.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why red light, which is perceived as warmer, has a higher temperature reading than violet light, despite violet light having higher energy per photon.
  • Another participant clarifies that light itself does not have a temperature; rather, the temperature reading depends on light intensity and the absorption characteristics of the thermometer's surface.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether the higher temperature reading from red light is due to its greater intensity compared to violet light.
  • Further discussion indicates that if equal intensities of red and violet light were applied to separate thermometers, the thermometer with violet light would not necessarily register a greater intensity due to the energy differences, as intensity accounts for power per area.
  • Technical details are mentioned regarding the wavelength-dependency of the refractive index of the prism and the absorption characteristics of the thermometer, which influence the temperature readings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between light intensity, energy, and temperature readings. There is no consensus on the implications of these relationships, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific effects of light intensity and energy on thermometer readings.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions about light absorption and intensity, as well as the dependence on the specific characteristics of the thermometer and the prism used in the experiment.

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I have been struggling with the following; (apologies if this is a simple question)

After reading the Hershel experiment where with a prism light was used to split white light into a spectrum of colours and the red light was warmer than the violet light, then he placed a detector past the red and discovered infrared where his detector registered a higher temperature.

My question is why does the red light have a higher temperature than the violet, when the violet light has a higher energy?

Also if he placed a detector past the violet section in the ultraviolet region would he have detected a colder temperature?

Thank you for your help
 
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Light does not have a temperature.

The temperature of the thermometer depends on the light intensity (and the absorption coefficient of the surface). Sunlight has a strong infrared component, the intensity in the ultraviolet range is low (and below a certain wavelength, the prism will just absorb the light).

The energy per photon is larger for ultraviolet light.
 
Thank you for your response.

To clarify does that mean that in the case of this experiment that the red light increased the temperature of the thermometer more than the violet light did as its intensity was greater?

So, if I had equal intensities of red light on one thermometer and violet light on another thermometer would the thermometer which had the violet light on have a greater intensity due to the greater energy of violet light?
 
mildpiranha said:
To clarify does that mean that in the case of this experiment that the red light increased the temperature of the thermometer more than the violet light did as its intensity was greater?
Right.

So, if I had equal intensities of red light on one thermometer and violet light on another thermometer would the thermometer which had the violet light on have a greater intensity due to the greater energy of violet light?
Not in general. Intensity already accounts for this difference, its unit is W/m^2 (power per area). The area of the thermometer stays the same, and the absorbed power determines the temperature reading.

A quantative analysis has to be more careful: The thermometer will always receive light in some wavelength range, where the size of this range depends on the wavelength-dependency of the refractive index of the prism, and the received power depends on this size. Also, not the total intensity hitting the thermometer will get absorbed, and this fraction can depend on the wavelength. But those are technical details - the interesting result of the experiment was the notable heating effect where no light was visible.
 

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