Hey i need some help in calculating the thermal efficiency of steam turbine

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The discussion revolves around calculating the thermal efficiency of a pass-out steam turbine, specifically one that has an extraction for process use. Participants are seeking to understand the necessary information and formulas required for this calculation, with an emphasis on applying the First Law of thermodynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests the formula for calculating the thermal efficiency of a pass-out steam turbine and provides a diagram for context.
  • Another participant notes the need for additional information, including mass flow rates and turbine work output, to accurately calculate thermal efficiency, suggesting a First Law analysis approach.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the feedback and updates the diagram with requested data, indicating the limitations of working with information from an old power plant.
  • A formula for thermal efficiency is proposed: thermal efficiency = 1 - Work output / {Q(in) - [Q(out) + Q(ext)]}, along with a suggestion to use steam tables for enthalpy values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the calculation process, as there are varying levels of information and clarity regarding the data needed for an accurate assessment. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific application of the proposed formula.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the reliance on potentially incomplete data from an old power plant and the need for specific enthalpy values from steam tables, which may not be readily available.

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guys i just wanted to know the formula by which i can calculate the thermal efficiency of a pass out steam turbine( a steam turbine with an extraction for process ) I've attached a simple diagram explaining my problem can anyone please help !
 

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You'll need more information than what is shown on the diagram, specifically the mass flow rates into the turbine and out the exhaust and extraction line, and you'll need to know the turbine work output. The exhaust conditions of 13" Hg are also a little ill-defined. Calculating the thermal efficiency of this machine is what a First Law type of analysis gives you.
 
thanks , I've adjusted the diagram and added the data u requested i hope it's ok now , i would like to say that this is a very old power plant and that's what i could get out of it so please simplify the problem as much as the first law tolerates
 

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Amr Ali 33 said:
thanks , I've adjusted the diagram and added the data u requested i hope it's ok now , i would like to say that this is a very old power plant and that's what i could get out of it so please simplify the problem as much as the first law tolerates

From this point, it's a bit of a slog with a calculator.

The thermal efficiency of the turbine = 1 - Work output / {Q(in) - [Q(out) + Q(ext)]}

You'll have to get some steam tables and look up the enthalpies of the steam at the inlet, the extraction, and the exhaust to calculate the amount of heat flowing thru the system. The generator output is turned into a heat equivalent at he rate of 3412.14 BTU/kW-hr
 
thank you
 

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